The History of Civilian Carry permits in Tennessee...

[TMMT]

Some of you may be members, if not I strongly urge you to join up.

Have a read of the history of the "pistol permit" in this state, its pathetic... this in Tennessee for Christ's Sakes!

Tennessee Firearms Association | Civilian Permits

[TMMT]

After reading this anyone who can still say Tennessee is "gun friendly" needs their head examined.

I've said it before this state is merely "gun tolerant" a course of action the liberals here maintain until they have sufficiently polluted every level of government in this state at which time they will move to further restrictions in this state.

Heck all one has to do is look at who is being elected in this state to show that a tend exists, where liberals from liberal states are slowly infecting this state and thru voting are changing the face of the state itself.

Good grief! We have a Governor who was born in New Jersey, raised, educated and ran for office in Massachusetts...

[1gewehr]

This is typical for southern states. The history of gun control in the South is the history of keeping guns out of Black hands. Most of the laws were initially passed during the 1880's to keep ex-slaves from defending themselves. That is why they seem so convoluted today.

If we had any sense, we would just repeal the old statutes and state that "Any person lawfully permitted to own firearms may purchase, make, carry, or use any firearm or other weapon without being subject to any tax, license, registration, or other infringement of that right."

[TMMT]

I actually wonder if, we could gain from showing how gun control and those who support it, support past injustices against blacks?

That gun control was initially pasted for that very reason. It sure would put the Dems into a pickle once the case was successfully made.

Honestly I can't see how it would hurt because to further any gun control agenda would put them on the wrong side of the vast majority of their voters. It would make for compelling arguments in courts across the land, especially in front of known liberal activists judges.

And it would seem the logical way for the Dems to proceed would be to support repealing gun control to help further the rights of blacks all across the country.

[enfield]

I actually wonder if, we could gain from showing how gun control and those who support it, support past injustices against blacks?

It's been tried. It has no effect on people who 'feel' but don't think.

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

OK after reading the link I am kind of confused....?

C&P'ed from the link....

As a result of the changes in the handgun permit laws from 1994 through 1997, Tennessee issues civilian handgun carry permits that have the following general attributes:

• the initial application fee is $115 (cash) and requires the successful completion of a state certified handgun training course prior to making application for the permit;
  
• the state must respond to the application within 90 days by either issuing the permit or notifying the applicant of any problems with the application;
  
• renewal fees are $50 and, like a driver’s license, do not require further training or qualifications as a condition of renewal;
  
• the handgun permit is good for four years;
  
• the handgun permit is good “statewide;â€
  
• the handgun permit is good for any handgun that the permit holder legally owns or possesses; and
  
• the handgun permit is not a concealed weapon permit.
  

Just what does this mean? I have read all the discussions concerning Open or Concealed carry here, But the way this reads Concealed is not allowed although most all the threads concerning such lean toward carrying concealed rather than open. Are we really allowed to conceal or is it still open to interpretation?

I have also looked through some of the Statutes available here and they too are somewhat confusing.

Not to seem stupid but from the AG's opinion #05-154, Oct 11, 2005......Is this my answer?

Reading Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-17-1351

in pari materia with §§ 39-17-1307 and 1308(a)(2)

indicates that the legislature intended to allow carry permit holders to carry their handguns both

openly and concealed.

I am pretty certain that it is, and that there would not be such Concealed vs Open discussions here if we were not allowed to carry concealed. However that last line from the link really freaked me out. It goes against everything I have read and understood since beginning this responsible action of obtaining a permit.

Thanks to any who do respond, I do believe concealed is in fact legal but boy reading that legal stuff sure hurts an old man's head...

[Guest m14man]

i believe concealed weapon means you can carry any weapon concealed. ours is only for a handgun.

[Oh Shoot]

OK after reading the link I am kind of confused....?

C&P'ed from the link....

As a result of the changes in the handgun permit laws from 1994 through 1997, Tennessee issues civilian handgun carry permits that have the following general attributes:

• the handgun permit is not a concealed weapon permit.
  

Just what does this mean?

It means that you do not have to carry your handgun concealed in TN.

Many states have a CCP (concealed carry permit), can only carry concealed or can open carry without permit, whatever.

In TN, you can ONLY carry, either openly OR concealed, with a permit.

That's why it is called a Handgun Carry Permit in TN, rather than a Concealed Carry Permit or somesuch.

- OS

[Guest Sgt. Joe]

It means that you do not have to carry your handgun concealed in TN.

Many states have a CCP (concealed carry permit), can only carry concealed or can open carry without permit, whatever.

In TN, you can ONLY carry, either openly OR concealed, with a permit.

That's why it is called a Handgun Carry Permit in TN, rather than a Concealed Carry Permit or somesuch.

- OS

Thanks Shoot.....That does make sense.....if such can be said of any such gun laws. Too bad folks like you and some here are not writing the laws, Then again more of us would understand them.

[Oh Shoot]

Thanks Shoot.....That does make sense.....if such can be said of any such gun laws. Too bad folks like you and some here are not writing the laws, Then again more of us would understand them. :D

If I were writing TN firearm laws, I would only need an eraser to do it.

- OS

[leroy]

This is typical for southern states. The history of gun control in the South is the history of keeping guns out of Black hands. Most of the laws were initially passed during the 1880's to keep ex-slaves from defending themselves. That is why they seem so convoluted today.

If we had any sense, we would just repeal the old statutes and state that "Any person lawfully permitted to own firearms may purchase, make, carry, or use any firearm or other weapon without being subject to any tax, license, registration, or other infringement of that right."[/quote]

I am interested in this subject. Do you have a citation that is from the late 1800's to back this up? My take is that it is a Reconstruction era statute aimed at disarming anyone except Union sympathizers. Remember; Tennessee had a rabidly Unionist Governor named Brownlow (from Knoxville, no less!!). He is the famous (or infamous--- depending on your views of the civil war ) "Parson" Brownlow. Post civil war times were very interesting in Tennessee due to the unique split between East Tennessee and the middle and western portions of

Tennessee. You may want to check this link out:TN Encyclopedia: WILLIAM GANNAWAY "PARSON" BROWNLOW

RE: Second half about repeal. You are exactly right!!

Kind regards and Merry Christmas.

LEROY

[1gewehr]

Good article by Clayton Cramer:

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

Older but excellent article by William Tonso:

http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html

Bunch of articles on Keep&Bear Arms:

Keep and Bear Arms - Gun Owners Home Page - 2nd Amendment Supporters

Good summary of laws passed to prevent 'undesirables' from owning arms:

The Racist Origins Of Gun Control

George Mason Law Review article on the subject:

GUN CONTROL AND RACISM - Stefan B. Tahmassebi

Article dealing primarily with Georgia, but relevant to most Southern States:

Is Gun Control Racist? by Wilton D. Alston

[1gewehr]

Edited December 22, 2009 by 1gewehr
Double post, sorry.

[leroy]

....Above articles in post.....

Thanks for the citations and links. I'll wear myself out reading all this stuff now. I think it is interesting that the tennessee case (1870) happened right after Brownlow left office (feb 25, 1869).<TABLE style="BORDER-BOTTOM: #88a 1px solid; TEXT-ALIGN: center; BORDER-LEFT: #88a 1px solid; BACKGROUND: #f7f8ff; FONT-SIZE: 95%; BORDER-TOP: #88a 1px solid; BORDER-RIGHT: #88a 1px solid; Lpadding: 5px" id=sortable_table_id_0 class="wikitable sortable" cellPadding=1 width="100%" align=center><TBODY><TR style="BACKGROUND: #ffb6b6"><TD>William G. Brownlow</TD><TD>April 5, 1865 – February 25, 1869</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Kind regards,

LEROY

[Guest TnRebel]

i believe concealed weapon means you can carry any weapon concealed. ours is only for a handgun.

In Florida it is that , I carry a auto spring knife here but when I move back to Tn next month I will have to give it up .

[cybernorris]

Before Texas passed a concealed carry permit law, open carry was legal. That permit law made open carry illegal... I even think Texas is one of the states where one must be careful about weapon printing and accidental exposure.

[Sams Dad]

Tennessee has HCP (Handgun Carry Permit).

Some states have Concealed Weapons Permits, this includes things other

Edited January 13, 2010 by Sams Dad
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