Reps/Senators to contact about fixing resturant bill

Republicans missing in actiont: (However, it doesn't list that they voted against it, so they may have not been there for the vote as it doesn't say they voted "present")

sen.dewayne.bunch@capitol.tn.gov

sen.steve.southerland@capitol.tn.gov

So really we only have one republican (Rep. Beth Harwell) who has gone on record as being anti-gun carry. The others probably missed the vote as they voted for the bill the first time.

So there is the list of people you need to write.

Matthew

Volzfan · December 9, 2009

Thanks! It is time that we get busy with this.

December 9, 2009

It might be helpful to see what they've come up with and has been filed first.

macville · December 9, 2009

It might be helpful to see what they've come up with and has been filed first.

Why? Does it need to be any other way to get the law as it should be? I don't see how they could make the law any looser and it certainly doesn't need to be any tighter. So I'd just flat up tell them this is what the law SHOULD be.

I believe Doug Jackson is the one writing what's going to be introduced in Jan, so I may write him to see what he's thinking.

Matthew

December 9, 2009

Brian Kelsey was very vocal the first time, especially for a newbie Rep. Naife tried to put the slap down on him, but IMO, came out looking like a horses arse.....well even more so than before.

Worriedman · December 10, 2009

Â§ 39-17-1305. Sale of alcoholic beverages; premises; possession of firearms

(a) It is an offense for a person to possess a firearm within the confines of a building open to the public where liquor, wine or other alcoholic beverages, as defined in Â§ 57-3-101(a)(1)(A), or beer, as defined in Â§ 57-6-102(1), are served for on premises consumption.

( A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(1) In the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer, or is employed in the army, air force, navy, coast guard or marine service of the United States or any member of the Tennessee national guard in the line of duty and pursuant to military regulations, or is in the actual discharge of duties as a correctional officer employed by a penal institution;

(2) On the person's own premises or premises under the person's control or who is the employee or agent of the owner of the premises with responsibility for protecting persons or property;

(3) authorized to carry a weapon pursuant to TCA 39-17-1351.

No need to address the issue of consumption because a separate law addresses that issue in all locations:

39-17-1321. Possession of handgun while under influence — Penalty. —

(a) Notwithstanding whether a person has a permit issued pursuant to Â§ 39-17-1315 or Â§ 39-17-1351, it is an offense for a person to possess a handgun while under the influence of alcohol or any controlled substance.

( A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

Nor do we need to address the issue of the desire of some places to post since that provision of the law has been on the books under 39-17-1359 for many years as well without significant problem.

This is what the legislation should say. it needs to be included in the letters and faxes to the Legislators. I took this from another site, from an attorney (John Harris) who understands the legal system, and the way the legislature works in Tennessee.

Edited December 10, 2009 by Worriedman

Glock262730 · December 10, 2009

Why can't we just have the leader of the NRA create a list of restaurant or place that doesn't support the right to carry and we just banned ourself from those places. Make the list public so those places that want our bussiness call the NRA to take their name of the list. Is their such a list for TN that we can create or is there already on created? I only want to support those bussiness. It is so frustrating to me to carry that I am almost giving up but I need to protect my family so I am risking fines, etc.

December 10, 2009

I believe Doug Jackson is the one writing what's going to be introduced in Jan, so I may write him to see what he's thinking.

Matthew

Well, this is part of an email he sent me last week....

We are drafting the bill now. It should be filed next week.

He said they'd considered a suggestion I made, but mentioned no specifics of what was being filed.

Edited December 10, 2009 by HexHead

Worriedman · December 10, 2009

Why can't we just have the leader of the NRA create a list of restaurant or place that doesn't support the right to carry and we just banned ourself from those places. Make the list public so those places that want our bussiness call the NRA to take their name of the list. Is their such a list for TN that we can create or is there already on created? I only want to support those bussiness. It is so frustrating to me to carry that I am almost giving up but I need to protect my family so I am risking fines, etc.

It is a State issue, so therefore the NRA is not that interested. Don't get me wrong, I am a Life Member of the NRA, I support them monetarily and with my labor as well, but I have contacted them numerous times with respect to State and local topics, and I get the "We play on the national stage" answer.

This is our issue, it is our legislators who tried to give us the Law we asked for. It is ours to correct. If we do not stand up and force the issue, nobody else will. We have before us an opportunity to prove that the legal gun owning public is strong, united and ready to fight for our rights. We can get in the game and win, or sit on our hands and go the way of California.

December 10, 2009

Why can't we just have the leader of the NRA create a list of restaurant or place that doesn't support the right to carry and we just banned ourself from those places. Make the list public so those places that want our bussiness call the NRA to take their name of the list. Is their such a list for TN that we can create or is there already on created? I only want to support those bussiness. It is so frustrating to me to carry that I am almost giving up but I need to protect my family so I am risking fines, etc.

There is already a list here, and over at the TFA forums as well for this. Carry laws, and banned/prohibited places change from state to state, so it would take a huge amount of the NRA's time to compile lists like this.

Also, I hate to bash the NRA, but when it comes to state issues in my experience they are usually the last to find out.

Oh Shoot · December 10, 2009

There is already a list here, and over at the TFA forums as well for this. Carry laws, and banned/prohibited places change from state to state, so it would take a huge amount of the NRA's time to compile lists like this.
Also, I hate to bash the NRA, but when it comes to state issues in my experience they are usually the last to find out.

I have gotten a notice from NRA from most of the pending legislation in TN before it happens.

They even pinged me on the Knoxville City Council meetings re the carry in parks decision.

But you're right, they don't get involved much in this sort of stuff except to attempt to notify members within the pertinent area.

- OS

Volzfan · December 19, 2009

It might be helpful to see what they've come up with and has been filed first.

TN senator tries again at guns-in-bars bill

Plan is clearer than overturned law, he says

TN senator tries again at guns-in-bars bill | tennessean.com | The Tennessean

John Harris, executive director of the Tennessee Firearms Association, said he would like to see another exemption so permit holders could carry their guns as long as the owner didn't ban them.

This is what I was hoping for. I don't think it would fly for them to try to pass a law that would not allow owners to ban guns. Edited December 19, 2009 by Volzfan

Worriedman · December 19, 2009

John Harris, executive director of the Tennessee Firearms Association, said he would like to see another exemption so permit holders could carry their guns as long as the owner didn't ban them.

This is what I was hoping for. I don't think it would fly for them to try to pass a law that would not allow owners to ban guns.

Any restaurant could have posted, disallowing guns, under the law that was found vague. But make them post if they want to. That was the crux of the matter for Rayburn, he wanted the State to do it for him, no balls!