The Next Columbine?

[molonlabetn]

I am just big on not calling magazines high capacity. My S&W has a 16 shot standard capacity mag, I preferred that mag over the low capacity one that holds less rounds.

I guess if a mag held 80 rounds I might be good with that being a hi cap

I agree with you... I was making fun of anti terminology.

[saintsfanbrian]

Maybe. You been circumcized? Recently?

Heck, they did that a long time ago. It hurt so bad I couldn't walk for 9 months.....

[The Rabbi]

Heck, they did that a long time ago. It hurt so bad I couldn't walk for 9 months.....

I said recently. It has to be kept up, like vaccinations.

Did I mention I'm a great shot with a .357 magnum?

[Guest 270win]

I don't see a law that seems to have been broken to warrant an over 600,000 bail. That is rediculous for someone to be expected to come up with 60,000 for the bail bondsman over a can of pepper spray. I didn't even know pepper spray was illegal to have at school....i'm pretty sure it's not in Tennessee.

The guy seems a little odd with the body armor and other purchases, but I never knew of it being against the law to be a little odd. If he didn't threaten anyone, then what is the problem? He's an 18yr old adult and can buy tasers, spray, guns, whatever he wants.

The sad thing is, no one will go have a march (riot) for this guy like all the people did running to Louisiana to protest for CONVICTED criminals. Those boys in Louisiana did a lot more wrong then this boy, who did nothing illegal.

[jgrauman]

I agree with you... I was making fun of anti terminology.

in this case it's "high capacity clips"

[DaveTN]

There was reasonable suspicion for an interview, which led to probable cause for a warrant. Looks like they did everything right to me.

If you decided to create a profile for a school shooter you couldn’t think up a better one than this guy. It sounds like school officials and police may have stopped a tragedy; they should be commended for their work.

The high bail was probably set to give the investigators time to determine that they had totally disarmed this guy and determined if anyone else is involved.

Lawsuits against the school and the city…. You have to be kidding me.

If it turned out that the school and law enforcement knew about this and didn’t act; the lawsuits would have been financially devastating.

Congratulations to those involved that were paying attention and did their jobs.

[molonlabetn]

...If you decided to create a profile for a school shooter you couldn’t think up a better one than this guy. It sounds like school officials and police may have stopped a tragedy; they should be commended for their work...

So, the profile for a school shooter is a teenager who shoots rifles on the weekend, wears a bullet-proof vest (which is a defensive tool), and possesses pepper-spray?

My argument is, that if this fellow really did have the intention of shooting up a school, the authorities shot themselves in the foot by reacting so rashly to a simple possession of pepper-spray on school property that they may never know what evidence for more nefarious acts they may have uncovered if they had simply observed this young man a while longer. They may indeed have that evidence, but with the information given in the story there is no reasonable suspicion that he had that motive.

I am all-for preventing school shootings, but knee-jerking to every teenager with an interest in firearms and self-defense is not the way to do it.

[Im Neero]

The sad thing is, no one will go have a march (riot) for this guy like all the people did running to Louisiana to protest for CONVICTED criminals. Those boys in Louisiana did a lot more wrong then this boy, who did nothing illegal.

That's a really good point.

[The Rabbi]

If you decided to create a profile for a school shooter you couldn’t think up a better one than this guy. It sounds like school officials and police may have stopped a tragedy; they should be commended for their work.

Hmm, so if you wanted to set up a profile of a domestic terrorist you couldnt think of a better one than an American-born Arab who buys multiple guns at a time, visits Arab countries, and drives flashy cars. Right?

But then you would be describing one of my customers whom I have gotten to know pretty well. I can assure you he is not a domestic terrorist. Not that that would matter to police-state minded individuals.

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

There is a solution. Let adults legally arm themselves. School shootings will continue as long as they're successful. These twisted kids see themselves becoming heros to other twisted, revenge driven kids. Let two or three incidents end with the shooter taken down before anything happens, then show the legally armed teacher or the other legally armed student who took them down as the hero, and the perverted romantic notion of the underdog getting revenge will fade away.

[The Rabbi]

There is a solution. Let adults legally arm themselves. School shootings will continue as long as they're successful. These twisted kids see themselves becoming heros to other twisted, revenge driven kids. Let two or three incidents end with the shooter taken down before anything happens, then show the legally armed teacher or the other legally armed student who took them down as the hero, and the perverted romantic notion of the underdog getting revenge will fade away.

OT, nice to see you here, Dr. Now we can gang up on Steelharp.

[Guest DrBoomBoom]

OnT, He wasn't doing anything illegal, maybe against the school rules. He shouldn't be arrested. As was mentioned earlier, though, I wouldn't want my kids in a classroom with him. Additionally, I know that school rules and current laws leave students, teachers and staff hopelessly vulnerable to attack (that's just one more reason why I sent my kids to a private school, spending away my hopes of driving a Jaguar). So, school can't protect the kids, police can't arrest someone who simply fits a profile or we become a nation I don't want us to be....that's what I call a problem. You can read my solution above.

Steelharp? Who he?

[DaveTN]

So, the profile for a school shooter is a teenager who shoots rifles on the weekend, wears a bullet-proof vest (which is a defensive tool), and possesses pepper-spray?

A Judge thought so.

My argument is, that if this fellow really did have the intention of shooting up a school, the authorities shot themselves in the foot by reacting so rashly to a simple possession of pepper-spray on school property that they may never know what evidence for more nefarious acts they may have uncovered if they had simply observed this young man a while longer. They may indeed have that evidence, but with the information given in the story there is no reasonable suspicion that he had that motive.

Cops want to catch drug dealers in the act of committing their crime; not school shooters.

Once this kid was brought to the attention of authorities there was no way that they could risk allowing him the opportunity to load his weapons and go on a rampage. It appears that everything was done legally. They have a search warrant and they will uncover what ever was going on; if anything.

Reasonable suspicion? This guy is dripping with reasonable suspicion; if you look up “reasonable suspicion†his picture will probably be there. Reasonable suspicion is less than probable cause, and probable cause is pretty much wide open. You want to jump right to “Beyond reasonable doubtâ€. He’ll get there… but not today.

I am all-for preventing school shootings, but knee-jerking to every teenager with an interest in firearms and self-defense is not the way to do it.

Is that how the story reads to you? Man, even the gun store guy refused to sell to him anymore.

[The Rabbi]

Reasonable suspicion might produce a search warrant. The search warrant apparently produced nothing.

So we have a kid arrested and released the next day for possessing an empty pepper spray container in school. That's it. Everything else is "fishy", "suspicious" etc etc. A hundred times zero is still zero.

And the result of that arrest is $600k in bail?

Holding people because they fit some pre-conceived notion of what criminals might be or do is bad precedent. A further erosion of our civil liberties.

[DaveTN]

Reasonable suspicion might produce a search warrant. The search warrant apparently produced nothing.

So we have a kid arrested and released the next day for possessing an empty pepper spray container in school. That's it. Everything else is "fishy", "suspicious" etc etc. A hundred times zero is still zero.

And the result of that arrest is $600k in bail?

Holding people because they fit some pre-conceived notion of what criminals might be or do is bad precedent. A further erosion of our civil liberties.

Well he has some more problems now....

Teen commando charged with child porn

Lakeland, Florida - Police on Thursday charged eighteen year old Shawn Keiffer Newberry with 26 counts of possession of child porn.

Officers arrested Newberry last month when he walked into the Life Skills Center, an alternative high school, wearing a bullet proof vest. Officers also found chemical spray in his car.

Police later searched Newberry's home and found body armor, three AK 47's, a shotgun, a taser, chemical grenades, and a gas mask. Officers also found a video recorder with images of Newberry and three other people engaged in target practice with the AK's.

They also took a computer during the search and officers say a forensics expert found child pornography on the hard drive.

In addition to the 26 counts of possession of child pornography, Newberry faces armed trespassing, grand theft and criminal mischief charges

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=66751

[The Rabbi]

Yeah, I'd hate to see his coming legal bills.

I wonder what the warrant specified.

[Guest canynracer]

with all of the school shootings latley...I would wear a vest too!!! Now, the rest of the stuff is kinda weird though..seems like alot of stocking up and training for something...but hey, maybe he isnt gonna pull a columbine...maybe we was threatened by other students, or a gang...there is more to this one...but I dont think its Columbine....

[Mike.357]

child pornography

I am not a fan of child porn, I say this up front.

But I would like to see a better definition of this kids child porn. Was it an 8 year old or his 15 year old girlfriend? 8 year old is child porn here, 15 year old girlfriend is not in this instance.