Gen 4 Glocks??? Vendors? Experts?

[TGO David]

I have my CZ 75 with a round in the chamber, hammer back, & C O C K E D & L O C K E D !!!

Which is precisely no more safe than a Glock with one in the chamber.

[TGO David]

When ever I go shooting, I press the trigger with the frame mounted safety on & my CZ doesn't go bang !!!! B U T I bet if I try that with my GLOCK, it will go bang !!! So it's SAFE to say, that my CZ 75 is safer than a GLOCK {IF THE TRIGGER IS PULLED BY SOME ONE OR THING THAT SHOULDN'T BE } ???

No. What is safe to say is that you prefer the mental comfort of a manual safety switch as opposed to the three internal passive safeties in the design of the Glock. That does not mean that your CZ is a more safe design than the Glock.

This horse has been beaten to death by countless others both here and elsewhere in the past. If an external safety is your thing, you don't need or want a Glock. It's not a Glock issue, it's an owner issue.

[Guest CK1]

Which is precisely no more safe than a Glock with one in the chamber.

Actually, far less safe, since if the thumb safety gets bumped off he'll be betting the chances of having an ND or not on whether or not nothing activates the trigger, or on the half-cock notch catching the hammer if it gets bumped...

AND, for example, either or both of those things could easily happen just getting into a car to drive to the pawn shop in the bad neighborhood...

I've NEVER had the frame mounted safety disengaged !!! When I grab my CZ, it feel good to know that a sweep of my right thumb will remove the safety:)

As they say, sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good... I've owned a few CZ's and CZ clones, it happens.

...with a glock it's not luck whether or not the gun stays on safe or not, that's the point.

[poak]

When ever I go shooting, I press the trigger with the frame mounted safety on & my CZ doesn't go bang !!!! B U T I bet if I try that with my GLOCK, it will go bang !!! So it's SAFE to say, that my CZ 75 is safer than a GLOCK {IF THE TRIGGER IS PULLED BY SOME ONE OR THING THAT SHOULDN'T BE } ???

Safety or no safety, I don't pull the trigger on a firearm unless I'm ready for it to discharge a round... but maybe that's just me...

If CZ's frame mounted safety is the only thing keeping you safe w/ a firearm, you probably shouldn't a firearm at all.

Safety starts and ends in the gray matter.

[Guest CK1]

No. What is safe to say is that you prefer the mental comfort of a manual safety switch as opposed to the three internal passive safeties in the design of the Glock. That does not mean that your CZ is a more safe design than the Glock.

This horse has been beaten to death by countless others both here and elsewhere in the past. If an external safety is your thing, you don't need or want a Glock. It's not a Glock issue, it's an owner issue.

+10000000000000000000000000

[TGO David]

Different tastes are what make capitalism a great thing; there's a gun manufacturer out there who probably makes whatever you like.

That said, I just have a pet peeve when some people say that XYZ is an unsafe or inferior product because it isn't in line with their personal preferences. I see a lot of people get steered wrong in gun shops, by gun owning friends, and by things said on the internet because of personal preferences being misrepresented as facts.

Preference: Glocks aren't for me because they don't have an external safety, and I prefer that sort of configuration on a handgun.

Misrepresented as a "Fact": Glocks are unsafe because they don't have an external safety. You'll shoot yourself in the face just by looking at one.

[TGO David]

The only time I T E S T

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[BigPoppa]

By the way, spacing the letters out in words to add emphasis (L I K E T H IS) is pretty goofy and not only makes the posts hard to read, but also renders parts of what you say completely useless to our site's search engine.

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No D A V I D I like his W A Y better it's more E M P H A T I C

Edited December 4, 2009 by BigPoppa

[TGO David]

No D A V I D I like his W A Y better it's more E M P H A T I C

Way to go. If Google breaks today, I'm telling on you.

[Guest CK1]

FWIW, there are only 2 ways you can carry a CZ-75 cocked and locked and have about the same level of safety against a ND as a Glock with it's passive safeties carried in a proper holster that blocks the trigger from being activated (assuming it's a 75B with a firing pin block of course and not an older 75 without one)...

Assuming both holsters cover the trigger adequately:

(1) Carrying in a kydex holster formed with the safety in the "ON" position that only allows the gun to be holstered with the safety engaged and keeps it from being bumped off-safe.

(2) Carrying in a thumb-break holster which will block the hammer from falling on the firing pin in the event the thumb safety gets accidentally disengaged.

Because a cocked & locked CZ's hammer is at full cock to ignite a primer, without positively blocking the safety from being able to be accidentally bumped off, or by positively blocking the hammer from hitting the firing pin, you're relying solely on the firing pin safety to prevent an ND if either the trigger or hammer were pulled/bumped or if you took a hard fall on the gun as the CZ design does not have a dedicated drop safety other than the firing pin safety... just 'cause you've never had your thumb safety get knocked yet, doesn't mean it can't happen.

B E S A F E ! ! ! ()

[raydog1]

Never said the GLOCK is inferior or unsafe, I just don't like carrying a gun that doesn't have a frame mounted safety !!! BTW I like a mag release safety also !!!!

The absence of both of these make my G19 desirable.

[BigPoppa]

Where I live you have to expect trouble !!!

Methinks this is becoming a circular argument.

[poak]

I like to use the right tool, for the right job:up:

You're using an adequate tool, for a specific job.

Your CZ is no more the correct tool for SD than a Glock.

[Metalhead]

There is an easy solution to this:

Carry both.

[TN-popo]

all im going to say is you Glock folks will be very very happy.

If that's "all you're going to say," then why did you post (other than to give us all the impression that you have some inside, secret knowledge)?