The Answer Is *NOT* Thug Tactics

[Guest TurboniumOxide]

AND you never know what has been done to your food in their kitchens, or on the way to your table.

[Guest HexHead]

Who said anything about breaking laws? I don't recall seeing that in David's post. Personally, I agree. It's frightening how a minor setback in gun rights sparks off a torrent of irrationality and skewed, ill-conceived thoughts. Playing dirty is not the answer. Taking the high road is. Somebody has to. They fought us with the system and won, now it's our turn to do the same. This is how government works. It's high time some of us realize that. Nobody said you had to like it. If you don't like it, take it out at the voting booth, not on innocent bystanders, like some of these restaurants that supported us in the past months. Don't want to eat where you can't carry? Good for you! Nobody said you had to! Will I eat in places that require me to disarm? Yep! Good for me! Damn I missed this place.

Ahhh, the idealism and naivety of youth. You're just wrong. What does the high road get us when our opponents are using lies and mis-information to defeat us? A "good feeling" while we have to walk around disarmed? F*ck that.

I have from a very reliable source that the AG presented an impressive 35 page brief, filled with case law that clearly supported the state's case. All of which was ignored by the liberal activist judge.

The "vague" argument was specious. Bars are like pornography, I know one when I see it.

Edited November 22, 2009 by HexHead

[strickj]

Hex,age has nothing to do with it.

Fact is,you're standing alone here.

You and your 2 or 3 friends up against hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent at restaurants in the coming months.

I bet they'll really miss that couple hundred.

[Semiauto]

Believe me, Hex is not alone. He's just vocal.

[Guest HexHead]

Hex,age has nothing to do with it.

Fact is,you're standing alone here.

You and your 2 or 3 friends up against hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent at restaurants in the coming months.

I bet they'll really miss that couple hundred.

Funny, I don't feel alone.

[jughead]

hexhead you aint alone. i eat else where or cook at home.

[TGO David]

Ahhh, the idealism and naivety of youth. You're just wrong. What does the high road get us when our opponents are using lies and mis-information to defeat us? A "good feeling" while we have to walk around disarmed? F*ck that.

I have from a very reliable source that the AG presented an impressive 35 page brief, filled with case law that clearly supported the state's case. All of which was ignored by the liberal activist judge.

The "vague" argument was specious. Bars are like pornography, I know one when I see it.

Is this Attorney General, who you now report sent a very sound 35 page brief supporting the constitutionality of the law, the same Attorney General that you had a stiff "F--- YOU!" for not even 72hrs ago when you accused him of simply sending a lackey to the hearing earlier in the year?

I only ask because you have a bit of a tendency to go off half-cocked about this stuff. Need I remind you of the statements you made earlier in the year about how we needed to agree to various concessions to get the law passed, and then later told me that I was right and we really should have toed the line as we did?

It is clear that you are passionate about this issue. There is nothing wrong with passion except that it swings wildly from extreme to extreme, rarely settling in the middle. If you could just harness some of that passion and temper it with rational thought... you'd be a force to be reckoned with.

Just food for thought on a dreary Sunday morning.

[Motasyco]

Perhaps some of the differences here come from a generational gap that I've observed within my own family.

When I visit my kids, most meals are restaurant meals. Either we all go to a restaurant or they bring home take out food. To them eating at restaurants seems to be part of the lifestyle. Home cooked meals are rare. Maybe it's because they can't cook but I tend to think it has more to do with not wanting to put forth the effort.

You come to visit me and every meal is home cooked. We take pride in the meals we prepare and much prefer eating at home. And yes, both my wife and I work and have busy schedules. Restaurants for me are only for when a home cooked meal is not possible. My wife and I both had birthdays recently. Our kids would go out to eat to celebrate their birthdays. We celebrate by preparing our favorite meals at home.

For some of us, it's not an issue of supporting or not supporting restaurants. It's just a matter of practicality and necessity. We shouldn't criticize those that want to continue eating out where they can't carry but those of us that don't want to inconvenience ourselves to eat where we can't carry shouldn't be criticized either.

I'm just not going to disarm myself to eat at an Outback or an Applebee's or some other crappy restaurant where the food is mediocre at best.

[dkd83]

All this decision has done is put me back on my pre-July dining schedule....only my wife will be angered.

[Motasyco]

All this decision has done is put me back on my pre-July dining schedule....only my wife will be angered.

I think this is precisely in agreement with what I stated earlier in the thread. It's pretty simple.

[Guest grimel]

Who said anything about breaking laws? I don't recall seeing that in David's post. Personally, I agree. It's frightening how a minor setback in gun rights sparks off a torrent of irrationality and skewed, ill-conceived thoughts. Playing dirty is not the answer. Taking the high road is. Somebody has to. They fought us with the system and won, now it's our turn to do the same. This is how government works. It's high time some of us realize that. Nobody said you had to like it. If you don't like it, take it out at the voting booth, not on innocent bystanders, like some of these restaurants that supported us in the past months. Don't want to eat where you can't carry? Good for you! Nobody said you had to! Will I eat in places that require me to disarm? Yep! Good for me! Damn I missed this place.

Anyone who thinks I should eat in places that serve alcohol. It is NOT playing dirty. THEY have the law the way THEY want it. Okay, I'll play THEIR game. THEY can compare their receipts before, during, and after the carry law was passed and overturned. Then THEY can come out for which ever side they prefer come 2010.

You want to disarm, fine, just remember Hooter's. They were properly posted. All the good guys followed the rules. Someone died from gunshot wounds inside the restaurant.

[Guest HexHead]

Is this Attorney General, who you now report sent a very sound 35 page brief supporting the constitutionality of the law, the same Attorney General that you had a stiff "F--- YOU!" for not even 72hrs ago when you accused him of simply sending a lackey to the hearing earlier in the year?

My personal opinion on Cooper hasn't changed a bit. I still feel he's personally anti-gun as his recent opinions have been suspect to say the least. I also think that had he personally shown up to the hearing and passionately made his case, it may have at least made an impression on the judge. Sending underlings on a case as high profile as this AFAIC sends the message he really doesn't give a .

I only ask because you have a bit of a tendency to go off half-cocked about this stuff. Need I remind you of the statements you made earlier in the year about how we needed to agree to various concessions to get the law passed, and then later told me that I was right and we really should have toed the line as we did?

Hindsight being 20/20, I may have originally been correct. I changed my position at the time based on my doubts the bill would even pass without the restrictions. With hindsight now, those restrictions, the age limit and curfew, wouldn't have impacted me (or most of us) in the least and may very likely would have eliminated the ****storm we have now.

It is clear that you are passionate about this issue. There is nothing wrong with passion except that it swings wildly from extreme to extreme, rarely settling in the middle. If you could just harness some of that passion and temper it with rational thought... you'd be a force to be reckoned with.

Just food for thought on a dreary Sunday morning.

One thing I do feel passionately about is that you can't give liberals a break. It's a recipe for one step forward and two steps back. They will nibble away at your rights imperceptibly until you wake up one morning and your whole world's changed. I was the only one for months that had a really bad feeling about this hearing, that it was running under everyone's radar. I had no doubt how it was going to turn out once they brought this Cheek guy on board. You can't "play nice" with liberals or you'll lose every single time, since they play dirty. This is right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook, Rules for Radicals, what you can't win in the legislature, win in the courtroom. There's no doubt the plaintiffs got exactly the judge they wanted. The fix was in.

I learned my lesson about liberals in the 1992 election.

Remember Bush 41 making is now infamous "Read my lips" statement? Later on in his presidency, he made the mistake of compromising with the Dems and giving them a tax increase they wanted. Then in the campaign, they excoriated him for lying, couldn't be trusted etc etc etc, after he gave them the deal they wanted that benefitted them.

Edited November 22, 2009 by HexHead

[Guest HexHead]

You want to disarm, fine, just remember Hooter's. They were properly posted. All the good guys followed the rules. Someone died from gunshot wounds inside the restaurant.

Or Jonnie's Sports Bar.

[TGO David]

Hex,do you ever hear sparkles?

Funny, but it's a personal attack and as a moderator you should know that's against the rules.

[Guest Old goat]

He who would cut off his own nose to spite his face will never enjoy the sweet smell of victory.

[Guest HexHead]

There's no doubt the plaintiffs got exactly the judge they wanted. The fix was in.

One more point... if Bonneyman had one shred of integrity, she would have found David Smith in contempt for insulting her intelligence, and dismissed this case without prejudice. Given the motions filed the last time the plaintiffs appeared before her, where they listed every reason under to sun to get an injunction, only a moron would have believed the plaintiffs were now bringing this case because they were concerned HCP holders might be confused about what type of establishment they were entering and might be inadvertently breaking the law. Like they give a f*ck about us?

That Smith had the balls to state to the newspapers that he was bringing this case "in support of the 2nd Amendment" to protect HCP holders from inadvertently breaking the law is beyond laughable. He's just a lying sack of .

[strickj]

Not a personal attack. It was a joke regarding his hyperness here in these threads. I didn't say anything to him that could be construed as an attack to his person. Maybe next time I'll include a ":p" so everyone gets it

Hex,if you were offended,I apologize

[Guest HexHead]

Hex,if you were offended,I apologize

Not a problem, pal. You'd really have to go a ways to offend me.

It's not like you said I was ugly or anything. :D:D

[strickj]

Not a problem, pal. You'd really have to go a ways to offend me.

It's not like you said I was ugly or anything. :D:D

Wouldn't wanna insult the ugly like that

and the mandatory

[TGO David]

He who would cut off his own nose to spite his face will never enjoy the sweet smell of victory.

Confucius say, "No way man with three balls can run to first base" ??

[Punisher84]

All you people wonder why we can't accomplish anything and lose rights quicker than the rain forest is losing trees.

Petty bickering, name calling, bad attitudes, whining, and snotty shirt sleeves. We need to all start figuring crap out and meeting in the middle or nothing is going to get accomplished. Grow the hell up and let's work together.

You guys run off at the mouth about what you're going to do "if" and blah blah blah well I got news for you. Boycotting restaurants will not do a damn thing and neither will nicey nice politicking. We need to start fighting fire with fire and figure out a way to be heard and in a positive manner.

I wonder what people who are against us that browse this forum think of us when they read threads like this? I imagine they feel pretty good about their competition being a bunch of half-cocked juveniles.

It's a problem all the way up the chain and it needs to get fixed or we can all just hang it up and hope for the best.

[TGO David]

The most effective way of fighting fire with fire is to do it at the voting booth. If you figure out a way to get people to put their money where their mouth is inside the voting booth, and to motivate their friends to do the same, I'll be your biggest fan.

Do you really think we'd be having this discussion if Tennesseans were motivated enough to fire some of these liberal activist judges and other politicians???

Sadly the majority of people are pissed off about a subject for only as long as it takes them to get pissed off about the next thing, after which time they've forgotten all about the previous incident or issue.

[Semiauto]

I pretty much STAY pissed off at liberalism.

[TGO David]

I pretty much STAY pissed off at liberalism.

Good. Besides posting about it on the Internet, what are you doing to turn the tide?

[wjh2657]

I have learned to accept that there are going to be rules I don't like and times that I can't carry my gun. For those who are deadly sure they are going to be attacked as soon as they aren't carrying a gun, don't join the military. I drill every month with the TN State Guard and we cannot carry weapons onto the facility, not even locked up in the trunk. Since I live 87 miles from the base, I have to make the whole trip that day, unarmed. It would be the same for any other Reserve or Guard member.

I EDC but took my gun off and locked it in the COM Safe in the trunk when I ate at Chilis before the law and I guess I'll just do it again. (they weren't posted by the way.) I like the food and I am not going to deprive my wife of eating at one of her favorite restaurants because the law (not Chilis btw) says I can't wear my gun while I eat. I would rather carry my gun but I am not going to go high and right just because of the change. I will continue to support the campaign to allow carrying in restaurants and I hope it does come back, but I will still eat at Chilis. I pick where I eat by the quality of the food and service not what sticker or poster they have in their window.

Before all of the 2dA "militia" jump on me, I am not a Brady supporter, I am an NRA supporter.

I think some of the posters need to get a life that includes other things along with guns. The gun is an important tool but I wasn't born with it attached to my body. It doesn't have to be surgically removed.

Edited November 22, 2009 by wjh2657