B O Y C O T T!!! ALL restaurants that serve alcohol....

[Guest HexHead]

First let me say that I come here often and read most everthing posted on this forum.

Having said that , I don't post often because its my style to read everything

posted and make decisions based on what I read and a little common sense.

That is TILL NOW.

I don't think a boycott will do any good rather than make us feel good about

ourselves and how we're stickin it to the man(Restaurants that serve alcohol) by

not eating there.

The people whos attention we need to get are our elected officials.They and they alone can help fix this mess.Call them,write them,e mail them and get your friends

and family members to do the same.

Make waves (they don't like waves) and force their hand on this and we MAY have

a chance to correct this mess in Nashville.

While I don't completely disagree with you, getting the politicians to pass another law will only go so far. The plaintiffs have already stated they intend to be back in the same court (it's the only one that hears these types of cases) to challenge whatever the legislature comes up with to try and circumvent Bonneyman's decision. Bringing pressure on the other restaurants to make sure Rayburn et al (and the media) know that he doesn't speak for them and they DON"T want to keep alienating their customers with these lawsuits. Pressuring the plaintiffs to back off and stop this roller coaster of can't carry/ can carry/ can't carry / can carry nonsense is more effective than the lengthy legislative procedure. The plaintiffs know they can wear down the attention span and patience of the legislature if they keep going back to court and will eventually prevail.

[Guest HexHead]

So you wanted... what exactly? If a restaurant chose not to post, they supported you. Wish granted!

I'll tell you what I wanted. For them to be just as vocal that they didn't want Rayburn et al to appear to be representing their views. The media made it appear as if MOST restaurants supported this. For all we know, their plan was don't make waves, we'll get this taken care of in a couple of months. YOU don't know that they supported us by not posting any more than I know they didn't and were quietly supporting the lawsuit.

What I do know is that if they weren't part of the solution by speaking out, they're part of the problem with their silence.

[strickj]

I'll tell you what I wanted. For them to be just as vocal that they didn't want Rayburn et al to appear to be representing their views. The media made it appear as if MOST restaurants supported this. For all we know, their plan was don't make waves, we'll get this taken care of in a couple of months. YOU don't know that they supported us by not posting any more than I know they didn't and were quietly supporting the lawsuit.

What I do know is that if they weren't part of the solution by speaking out, they're part of the problem with their silence.

So,you're saying that anyone who doesn't speak out in favor of any gun law is automatically an anti?

I don't speak out about allot of laws,but that doesn't make me against them...

[Guest HexHead]

So,you're saying that anyone who doesn't speak out in favor of any gun law is automatically an anti?

I don't speak out about allot of laws,but that doesn't make me against them...

Not in favor of the law per se, but they could have at least expressed some displeasure to the plaintiffs if they didn't want it to appear they were speaking for everyone. We're always saying on here to write your lawmakers and let them know how you feel. Well, they should have been doing the same thing if it meant anything to them.

I don't recall seeing ONE letter to the editor or anything like that from a restaurant owner distancing them self from Rayburn. I'm sure most were quietly rooting for him for doing the dirty work for them.

[analog_kidd]

I'll tell you what I wanted. For them to be just as vocal that they didn't want Rayburn et al to appear to be representing their views. The media made it appear as if MOST restaurants supported this. For all we know, their plan was don't make waves, we'll get this taken care of in a couple of months. YOU don't know that they supported us by not posting any more than I know they didn't and were quietly supporting the lawsuit.

What I do know is that if they weren't part of the solution by speaking out, they're part of the problem with their silence.

Just playing Devil's Advocate, but do you support everyone else's political goals through your own business? What if they said I'll never go back to Hexhead's since he didn't write letters in support of XYZ. He never hung a banner on his office. I never saw him support my cause on the news.

[Guest HexHead]

Just playing Devil's Advocate, but do you support everyone else's political goals through your own business? What if they said I'll never go back to Hexhead's since he didn't write letters in support of XYZ. He never hung a banner on his office. I never saw him support my cause on the news.

Everyone else's political goals? Hardly. But if someone in my industry was bringing a lawsuit that would potentially negatively impact my business on a legislative level in my opinion, and the media was reporting that "everyone" in my industry supported the lawsuit, I'd be writing some letters to somebody.

[strickj]

Not in favor of the law per se, but they could have at least expressed some displeasure to the plaintiffs if they didn't want it to appear they were speaking for everyone. We're always saying on here to write your lawmakers and let them know how you feel. Well, they should have been doing the same thing if it meant anything to them.

I don't recall seeing ONE letter to the editor or anything like that from a restaurant owner distancing them self from Rayburn. I'm sure most were quietly rooting for him for doing the dirty work for them.

You're coming to conclusions based on no real evidence.

You're also coming to the conclusion that all restaurant owners are in the know about the law.

Even if they did know about the law,they may not have known about the appeal,and Rayburn.

Also gotta keep in mind that many restaurants that you're looking to take up arms against are corporate owned.

You think some big wig sitting in his office in Walawala Washington really cares about every TN law,and appeal process,and has the will and time to writing letters to news papers about their views?

Edited November 22, 2009 by strickj

[Guest HexHead]

You're coming to conclusions based on no real evidence.

You're also coming to the conclusion that all restaurant owners are in the know about the law.

Even if they did know about the law,they may not have known about the appeal,and Rayburn.

Also gotta keep in mind that many restaurants that you're looking to take up arms against are corporate owned.

You think some big wig sitting in his office in Walawala Washington really cares about every TN law,and appeal process,and has the will and time to writing letters to news papers about their views?

You're stretching, but you tend to do that a lot.

You're also assuming I give a f*ck about playing fair at this point. Scorched Earth, remember?

[Volzfan]

I don't recall seeing ONE letter to the editor or anything like that from a restaurant owner distancing them self from Rayburn. I'm sure most were quietly rooting for him for doing the dirty work for them.

I didn't see any Letters to the Editor either but that sure doesn't mean that they didn't write them. Have you ever tried? I would guess that you have. I have sent them my thoughts at least a dozen times but they have never even once published one that I wrote. These don't fit their agenda. That's what they are about, their twisted agenda.

[TGO David]

You're stretching, but you tend to do that a lot.

You're also assuming I give a f*ck about playing fair at this point. Scorched Earth, remember?

I think you need to go sign up on TFA's web site and annoy them with this tactic. I'm not going to let it run much further here.

[DaveTN]

It was simply my point that they ALLOWED my carry.....they didn't SUPPORT it. In my opinion there is a difference. If they had supported my carry, they would have made some attempt to make it known that they supported our right. Are they required to do that, of course not, they could allow or refuse me as a customer......that was their right. But if they want to SUPPORT our right, then it requires more than disinterest.

I agree fully with your statement. My only point is, if they did not act, they are not SUPPORTING us. There is a difference between allowing us to come to their restaurant and carry, and supporting our right to carry there.

Restaurants are in the food business, not the business of politics. There are no “Rights†involved here. The state of Tennessee does not recognize HCP as a “Rightâ€. The overwhelming majority of Tennessee residents don’t carry into a restaurant because it is a crime for them to do so.

Federal law also does not recognize you being able to carry a gun as a “Rightâ€. They (The Supreme Court) have left it up to the Federal districts and the individual states to determine when, where, and if you can carry. You may not like that, but it is the law and it is not going to change. Only the state of Tennessee can recognize 2nd amendment rights; and they have chosen not to.

The SCOTUS has ruled that you have a right to own guns but you do not have a right to bear arms; that determination will be made by the individual states. It’s called States Rights and it is in direct conflict with any other interpretation of the 2nd amendment. We fought a war over states rights; we will never fight a war over the right to bear arms.

As long as there is no anti gun signs on the front door, I assume that they support carry. I do not need to see a sign with their support for carrying guns. I also do not need to see signs on their door about their stand on Abortion, the economy, gay rights, the death penalty or the war.

I will change my stance on this issue when the state of Tennessee does away with HCP permits and acknowledges carrying a gun as a “Right†for all citizens of the state.

[Guest HexHead]

I didn't see any Letters to the Editor either but that sure doesn't mean that they didn't write them. Have you ever tried? I would guess that you have. I have sent them my thoughts at least a dozen times but they have never even once published one that I wrote. These don't fit their agenda. That's what they are about, their twisted agenda.

Actually, I've been invited the the Tennessean's "Three Star" dinner twice over the years, one on a pro-gun letter. I went once. I've also read through the comments to the articles and letters regarding this issue, and never ONCE saw a comment by a restaurant owner protesting this nonsense. And they aren't edited by the paper, other than vulgarity.

[Guest trigem]

Stay Home,

Save your money,

Buy more ammo & guns;)

[Guest db99wj]

The only restaurant owners that we should boycott are the ones that posted after the law changed in the first place. The other ones, that didn't post, either supported us, if they were aware, or they were running their restaurant, trying to keep the doors open, and, not that didn't "care", they didn't have the time to be proactive for our benefit. Quite honestly, that is not their job, to promote mine and your rights (whether given or paid for), nor am I going to ask them to. There job, and livelihood is to run their business. The small amount of permit holders is not going to hurt their bottom line.

I admire your passion, but a majority of the people don't give a damn if we carry or not, or where we carry or not, it's not on their radar until someone forces them to take a side. Making enemies, by "boycotting them all" isn't the way to accomplish things.

[JayC]

Where do you get that HCP holders have more disposable income? More income than who... everybody else who doesn't carry a weapon?

Seems like quite an assumption. We carry a weapon so we must have more money... BS!!!

Folks who have $1000+ on average to get a license with the state are generally going to have a higher earnings and have more disposable income.

It is an assumption but if you look at the mean income for the state and the mean income for the zip codes that HCP holders live in, you'll see it's a pretty safe assumption.

Let me be clear I'm not suggesting that we're rich or anything like that, but that compared to the population as a whole, more likely to have more disposable income.

[Guest HexHead]

Folks who have $1000+ on average to get a license with the state are generally going to have a higher earnings and have more disposable income.

It is an assumption but if you look at the mean income for the state and the mean income for the zip codes that HCP holders live in, you'll see it's a pretty safe assumption.

Let me be clear I'm not suggesting that we're rich or anything like that, but that compared to the population as a whole, more likely to have more disposable income.

I think your figure is probably correct regarding "disposable income", and I don't need to look at zip codes to see that. Figure it costs about $200 after it's all said and done to get your permit. Most people that carry a pistol probably spend about $500 for a pistol and holster, some less, many more. Also, I don't know many HCP holders with only one pistol. Sure, lots of people that just own a gun at home have only one, but almost everyone I know that carries has more than one.

[G27]

Good luck achieving whatever you wish to achieve by being a jerk.

Punishing all rest owners because some fought this is silly and juvenile.

[Guest MinorKey]

It is your right to boycott anything at any time! if you dont agree with the way someone conducts business, or the practices that go into making something, do the only thing you can and boycott, protest, vote, write letters, anything that does not interfere with someone elses rights. YOU have to be able to sleep at night. Even if nothing changes, you will know you are doing what you feel is right. (no matter what anyone says) That is what our country was made for. I wish it would stay that way.

If you dont want to buy any healthcare insurance, (or anything else)cursed should be the person or persons who try to force you to do it.

Today it is easier to just not put up a fight for most people. But today it is something small... people just follow... it is convienient... no harm no foul right? What if your apathy today damages your ability to exercise that freedom when it really really counts... tomorrow.

-Mk