BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS

[Tim Nunan]

The New Jersey Democratic State Committee - The Democratic Party of New Jersey

<!--StartFragment -->"E-trace is a nationwide database maintained by the ATF that lists

a firearm's first purchaser, date of purchase and the retailer from

which it was purchased. The information is compiled from police

records of gun purchases provided by local departments, but until

today was only accessible by the ATF and the police department that

provided it." Read all of this article from August 2007 -

Governor Announces Historic Partnership with ATF to Trace Illegal Firearms

[Guest Rem_700]

Gun registration at its best! I always figured they was keeping that stuff somewhere..To much paperwork to throw away and not save when buying a gun...Oh well,if they want them,they can have them back,starting with the bullets,one at a time!

[Guest jimdigriz]

The information is compiled from police

records of gun purchases provided by local departments

This part doesn't make sense. How would police be able to provide it? Isn't the info with the FFL rather than the police? (I know that the FFL must provide all of the form 4473s to the BATFE when they close up shop).

In any event, it doesn't surprise me not one bit that the BATFE is doing this sort of thing.

[JeffL]

I was under the impression that what they are doing is illegal. Am I wrong? Who's going to do something about it?

[Guest jimdigriz]

I was under the impression that what they are doing is illegal. Am I wrong? Who's going to do something about it?

No one.

The government breaks the law every second of the day with impunity.

[Raoul]

See, we weren't paranoid after all.

[TripleDigitRide]

And this comes as a surprise to who?

[Guest jimdigriz]

See, we weren't paranoid after all.

But don't worry, I've been reassured by some on this forum that we have no gun registration "at all".

[Guest Gun Geek]

Somehow I am really not surprised.

Where is my tin foil hat, I'm puttin that thing back on.

[Smith]

We knew Reno was doing it and Ashcroft was the one to drag out in the open. Now, if we can actually get an administration that will permanently deal with this.

[Guest FlyntG]

Somehow I am really not surprised.

Where is my tin foil hat, I'm puttin that thing back on.

Anybody care to email me plans for a good tinfoil hat? maybe we should make these things out of something more sturdy.

[USMCJG]

I'm not surprised by this at all. We all already knew, or should have, that we have gun registration, or more accurately, gun owner registration. When a dealer goes out of business and turns over their 4473's to the BATFE, they sure aren't going to just destroy them. They will be logged in a database to be referenced by the government. Of course some of the guns that had 4473's filled out on them will have been sold to someone else, but the person who bought them will still be known to be a gun owner. Quite simply, Form 4473=delayed gun owner registration.

[kckndrgn]

So, if guns are purchased "illegally", then there were purchased w/o the NJ police permission (in NJ one must get "permission" from the PD to purchase a gun) then how would said gun be in the registry?

Hmm, just another way to track the law abiding citizens, dunno.

[G27]

Wow, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but I figured this was illegal, too.

Yeesh.

[Guest Rem_700]

Need to get the NRA in on this and file a federal lawsuit!

[Guest jackdm3]

Seems like lots of private purchases are in order. I mean, if you have to choose from that or a dealer, why not. (Sorry vendors)

[Guest SUNTZU]

The articles are from 2007. Nothing has been done by any gun rights groups since then?

[TNTitan]

The articles are from 2007. Nothing has been done by any gun rights groups since then?

some have: BATFE and its Gun Registration

[strickj]

Is this really "national"?

From reading the article it sounds localized to NJ. Which was already antigun to begin with.

[Guest SUNTZU]

I can see clearly now.....the rain has gone. Thanks TnTitan. I'd call you TT, but that would just rapidly degrade your nickname into something you might not like for every future TGO event.

[Garufa]

Is this really "national"?

From reading the article it sounds localized to NJ. Which was already antigun to begin with.

Actually it's International. Over 30 countries have access to the system...

eTrace: Internet-based Firearms Tracing and Analysis

[Guest jackdm3]

Is this really "national"?

From reading the article it sounds localized to NJ. Which was already antigun to begin with.

Like a disease that infects our country, it starts in only one state and spreads to a few more.

[strickj]

Actually it's International. Over 30 countries have access to the system...

eTrace: Internet-based Firearms Tracing and Analysis

What I meant was,it only includes guns from NJ,right?

Or did I miss that?

Edited November 6, 2009 by strickj

[RRMan03]

Are we all so stupid that we think the goverment goes by the laws of the people. ?Get a life. It is them and you and you do not make the rules or have the power to enforce them. You are at their mercy or you are fat dumb and happy. Figure it out for yourself. Fat ,dumb and happy is easier than trying to deal with a corrupt system from both sides. Neither side is a friend of a gun owner. When you accept this it gets a lot easier.

[Guest HexHead]

I was under the impression that what they are doing is illegal. Am I wrong? Who's going to do something about it?

I'm sure AG Holder will gets right on it.