east ridge to vote tonight on opt out

[Guest archerdr1]

I am going, and I hope as many of you in this area are able come too. We are outnumbered so far. I have prepared something to say, if anyone else would care to join me, it would be appreciated. I refuse to let them strip away our rights one at a time.

[Guest archerdr1]

we lost this one. unanimous vote to ban guns in East Ridge parks. Several people were there both for and against. The biggest thing that gets me is that the one guy who told me to my face that he was going to vote to allow, did not. bad thing is I have to see him in church every week now. Really considering running for East Ridge City Council

[Fallguy]

I guess they did bring it back up, huh?

It was reported at one time they were going to allow carry because when the issue was brought up there was no second. But at that time some wondered if it could be brought back up again since there was no actual vote. Guns Will Be Allowed in East Ridge Parks - WRCB Channel 3 Chattanooga News, Weather |

Now I know in the state legislature a motion dies for lack of a second, it can not be reconsidered. Wonder how/why/if it is different for a city council.

Wonder how it went from not even getting a second to passing unanimously?

[Worriedman]

we lost this one. unanimous vote to ban guns in East Ridge parks. Several people were there both for and against. The biggest thing that gets me is that the one guy who told me to my face that he was going to vote to allow, did not. bad thing is I have to see him in church every week now. Really considering running for East Ridge City Council

We need Constitutionally minded servants of the People. Know that your whole life will be bought to view before the electorate, but if you decide to run, God speed and good luck!

[Guest archerdr1]

I don't know. The mayor asked the city attorney to look it up and see if it could be brought up. evidently it could, did, and they trampled on our second amendment rights. I started out by saying, the second amendment says that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and Ben franklin said that anyone who gives up liberty for temporary security deserves neither liberty nor security. by passing this resolution, you will be doing both. you will be infringing on our second amendment rights and you will be trading liberty for a false sense of security." I also told them that "in America we hold our liberty sacred. if we give up the right to keep and bear arms, what is next? freedom of religion? freedom of speech? we are giving up our rights one amendment at a time and that is something I cannot accept"

I went on to explain that "while the police will be there within 4 minutes, my response time is about 2 seconds. I can go to the range and empty a magazine, load a second one, and empty it in well under 30 seconds, so my question is, what am I supposed to do for the next 3 minutes and 30 seconds that I am waiting for the police? That is also supposing that I am able to make that call to 911." I explained that they said last time that "we may lose income b/c some groups may not hold games there and I doubt that will actually happen, but I can't believe that you are willing to put a price on the liberty that we are given in America"

Mayor steele said that he was not taking away a right because it was against the local law there since 1991 and that they were only not giving us a right that we want. I and another guy said, yes, you are taking away that right because the state legislature had just given it to us. Mayor steele was so closed minded about it. The decision was made in his mind before the vote even occured and there was no changing it. When the city manager whitson started talking he said that the soft ball games brought in 3.5 million dollars this summer to be split between 3 cities so we got a little over 1 million dollars for that. so I guess that about 1 million dollars is the price tag they put on our lives and liberty. Oh well, guess I am going to the red bank parks with my kids.

[Guest archerdr1]

We need Constitutionally minded servants of the People. Know that your whole life will be bought to view before the electorate, but if you decide to run, God speed and good luck!

I am really not too worried about that too much. I haven't even had a speeding ticket in the past 4 years. I am a graduate of Tennessee Temple University with a degree in Biblical Studies/Youth Ministry. I was a youth pastor for about 8 years, before that I actually was in the Chattanooga Police Academy. I did have one charge on me, but it was a misunderstanding and was expunged from my record. There is not really much they can pull up on me.

[Worriedman]

I am really not too worried about that too much. I haven't even had a speeding ticket in the past 4 years. I am a graduate of Tennessee Temple University with a degree in Biblical Studies/Youth Ministry. I was a youth pastor for about 8 years, before that I actually was in the Chattanooga Police Academy. I did have one charge on me, but it was a misunderstanding and was expunged from my record. There is not really much they can pull up on me.

Toss that hat in the ring then, you sound like the kind of person we need in the leadership post!

[Guest H0TSH0T]

I was also there and brought up some issues like if someone was to use a gun to kill someone that's called murder, we already have laws on the books re; that. I also made the point that as much as i appreciate all the good cops do, there is not moral or legal obligation to risk there life to save a citizen, its a choice of what action to be taken if any,It is obvious that the council members and mayor steel are more concerned about making money in our little park than the safety or the right to defend, if it were about the decision making skills of the citizens, they might as well step down from office after all we put them there, by making a decision, (the vote). but i would tend to think that a blow to civil liberties, and the right to defend this issue is far from over, i think this due to the eventuality of some criminal out there sooner or later will commit a crime so horrific that people might change their minds, or some ccwph were to be killed and the city sued , after all they made it clear that weapons for self defense are not welcome, trained or otherwise, that being made clear by the huge swing vote form none to all , but i wonder if we are no longer responsable to protect ourselves in parks, is the city responceable now, i need to talk to my lawyer and find out......one more thing before i forget, myr steel said, "he had a conversation with the principal of erhs regarding to playball or not", i just wanted to say that was a biased and cheap shot to pull on the hart strings of the public, in my eyes he is a baffoon and will be out of office soon. we all know that law would not go into effect till the 1st of sep, not this weekend. he's an anus.

[Guest archerdr1]

I was also there and brought up some issues like if someone was to use a gun to kill someone that's called murder, we already have laws on the books re; that. I also made the point that as much as i appreciate all the good cops do, there is not moral or legal obligation to risk there life to save a citizen, its a choice of what action to be taken if any,It is obvious that the council members and mayor steel are more concerned about making money in our little park than the safety or the right to defend, if it were about the decision making skills of the citizens, they might as well step down from office after all we put them there, by making a decision, (the vote). but i would tend to think that a blow to civil liberties, and the right to defend this issue is far from over, i think this due to the eventuality of some criminal out there sooner or later will commit a crime so horrific that people might change their minds, or some ccwph were to be killed and the city sued , after all they made it clear that weapons for self defense are not welcome, trained or otherwise, that being made clear by the huge swing vote form none to all , but i wonder if we are no longer responsable to protect ourselves in parks, is the city responceable now, i need to talk to my lawyer and find out......one more thing before i forget, myr steel said, "he had a conversation with the principal of erhs regarding to playball or not", i just wanted to say that was a biased and cheap shot to pull on the hart strings of the public, in my eyes he is a baffoon and will be out of office soon. we all know that law would not go into effect till the 1st of sep, not this weekend. he's an anus.

hey bud, glad you decided to come in! The whole thing the mayor said talking about with that was totally wrong. he said that the attorney general said that "if guns were allowed in parks than schools were not going to be able to use the parks, but the actual statement said that if there was a school function, guns would not be allowed". I do agree he is an anus. Good to see you on here and glad that you were there fighting with me last night at the meeting.

[Guest archerdr1]

by the way, if in fact, I did run for city council and were to win, could it be brought up again with a new city council? I don't know how many ppl on here have the legal expertise about this. Just wondering if I were to run and win if I could say, "See, these other towns have not had any shootouts or accidental shootings, or in this particular park, a HCP holder stopped a crime in this park, let's overturn this stupid ban."

Oh, hotshot, be careful on here about saying CCW permit holder on here. There are some people that get pretty testy about that because in tennessee we are not limited to concealed carry. We have some pretty staunch open carry supporters. I do sometimes, but there have been some good battles :stick:on here about it. For your sake, since you are new and I invited you, I thought I would give you a heads up to stick to HCP holder!

[Guest H0TSH0T]

Thanks for the heads up on the ccw vs hcp and my deepest to the offended, and as far as our set back last eve, thinking of just being a jerk, and protesting in my own sick way, i just need to get a hold of a 100lb of helium i have a 400yd tube of plastic sheathing that i could paint a big sign and inflate and paint a big sign, might paint it pink like a giant penis and put the mayors name on it, or just a criminals welcome and a big arrow pointing down, bend it into a middle finger like a clowns balloon animals, and float it out of the back of my truck at camp Jordan??? may be a genius book of world records still thinking..... and looking for Helium , and other ideas welcome.....may just make it look like a huge condom, and when the media arrives tell them that is the only protection we now have in parks......

Edited August 15, 2009 by H0TSH0T

[Guest archerdr1]

I like it. Go down to Party City... see if they will donate it to a good cause!

[Guest H0TSH0T]

Chattanooga Times Free Press | East Ridge changes course to ban weapons

Be sure to listen to the recording of comments form the public.

Edited August 15, 2009 by H0TSH0T

[cadillacdude1975]

east ridge sucks. im glad all the parks near my location are owned by Red Bank.

[Guest archerdr1]

I love how that one guy says that he feels that only the cops should be allowed to have handguns. the woman that shot her mouth off was with him. They said that right after they gave their address. I gave mine, anyone listening to that knows that I have a gun, know how to use it, and will use it if necessary. this = might not want to break in to that address...their's on the other hand, says "Hey, look at me, I am a target!!! I only feel that the cops should have guns, nope, won't find any opposition here...take my stuff!!!"

[Guest H0TSH0T]

i hate to quot a member of the A-team, "but i pity the fool" that attempts to take from me, nice little sticker on the door ,"trespassers found here at night will be found here in the morning."

[Guest H0TSH0T]

i think we should petition that citizens of East Ridge that don't believe in firearms or the right to defend them selves, should have a sign posted in there yard. and see how long till they change there minds. as far as saving someones life we could always ask if they want us to call wait on the police first. give an option????

[Guest H0TSH0T]

C-9

SECTION 5-E. The style of all city ordinances shall be: "Be it ordained

by the City Council of the City of East Ridge." Each ordinance shall be passed

at two separate meetings on two separate days and shall be read in its entirety

before its second and final passage before the same is operative. [Priv. Acts

1921, ch. 569; as amended by Ord. #498, Sept. 1990; and replaced by Ord. #522,

May 1992]http://www.mtas.tennessee.edu/public/CHARTERS.nsf/0/72B1DE46AF64A50F852568CC0061DBA2/$File/EASTRIDG.CHT.pdf?OpenElement

if i am not mistaken, the only ordinance read of regarding guns in parks were hand guns, nothing was said about long guns,compressed air pistols, archery, knives, or other deadly weapons, still looking for exact ordinances, may have to meet with city mgr, or clerks office and have them pull up the law word for word, and make copies.

[Oh Shoot]

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if i am not mistaken, the only ordinance read of regarding guns in parks were hand guns, nothing was said about long guns,compressed air pistols, archery, knives, or other deadly weapons,

Well, you already can't carry a long gun (loaded), and I don't think they can override state knife law.

- OS

[Guest H0TSH0T]

The governor signed HB 390 that allows you to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun in YOUR personal, leased or rented by you car (loaded magazine but not one in the chamber) (however is you need it in a self defense situation (admendment 3) is is legal to do so but not until then).

The text of HB0390, from the legislature's website:

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 39,

Chapter 17, relative to the right’s of handgun carry

permit holders.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:

SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1308(a), is amended by adding

the following new appropriately designated subdivision:

( ) Of a loaded rifle or a loaded shotgun as defined in § 39-17-1301, or of a

loaded magazine or clip therefore while being transported in a motor vehicle by a person

authorized to carry a handgun pursuant to § 39-17-1351.

SECTION 2. This act shall take effect July 1, 2009, the public welfare requiring it.

Gun Laws in Tennessee - What are the Gun Laws in Tennessee?

[Fallguy]

C-9

SECTION 5-E. The style of all city ordinances shall be: "Be it ordained

by the City Council of the City of East Ridge." Each ordinance shall be passed

at two separate meetings on two separate days and shall be read in its entirety

before its second and final passage before the same is operative. [Priv. Acts

1921, ch. 569; as amended by Ord. #498, Sept. 1990; and replaced by Ord. #522,

May 1992]http://www.mtas.tennessee.edu/public/CHARTERS.nsf/0/72B1DE46AF64A50F852568CC0061DBA2/$File/EASTRIDG.CHT.pdf?OpenElement

if i am not mistaken, the only ordinance read of regarding guns in parks were hand guns, nothing was said about long guns,compressed air pistols, archery, knives, or other deadly weapons, still looking for exact ordinances, may have to meet with city mgr, or clerks office and have them pull up the law word for word, and make copies.

One thing to note though, the new park law says a city only has to pass a resolution against park carry, not an ordnance. As I understand things resolutions are much easier to propose and pass than ordinances...for one reason, because they don't require multiple readings. However if the city proposed it as an ordnance, then it would have to follow their rules for an ordnance.

On loaded long guns in a car in a park......they would still be illegal despite HB0390 because the park carry law only makes an exception for those with a HCP for handguns. Otherwise firearms are still in general illegal in a park.

It is sort of like the restaurant carry law that makes an exception for HCP holders, but only in restaurants, not all places that serve alcohol.

So the exception in the park carry law is only for handguns by those with a HCP, not all guns.

[deafdogdief]

Archerdr1, do you have a neighborghood watch? Do other neighborhoods around you? I would call the sherrifs dept. and try to get a list of where and when they meet. You will find a lot of supporters for handguns there. When you are in city council you could have these groups sign petitions and see if that would carry enough wait to bring up the HCP issue again. Just an idea. BTW if I knew this was up for a decision I would have been there to make noise for ya.

[deafdogdief]

Toss that hat in the ring then, you sound like the kind of person we need in the leadership post!

Yeah, I was his roommate and coworker in college. I can vouch for him!