wait, what?

[Guest notaguestnow]

Alright, I'm moving to TN from IN. Great move but sadly, your gun laws suck. Anyhow, I'm reading from multiple websites that TN is changing, or has changed the bar/alcohol carry rules? Or am I reading this wrong i can't find the actual law, could I get some clarification?

Also, man 90 days is a long time to wait. I'm moving there in Feb and thankfully I got into a fl permit class in October so I don't have to be defenseless.

[Guest bkelm18]

90 days is the max, average time now is about a month. Yes we can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they are not posted. Our laws aren't the greatest, but they are far from "suck".

[Fallguy]

bkelm18 is right.

You may also want to see this post. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/firearms-law-faq/13408-reference-material-some-basic-questions.html

[Guest Isaac]

The alcohol rules have changed. You can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol provided that they are not posted with a legal sign. You can not drink while carrying there, period. It's not like DUI laws, any consumption is illegal.

There are some legal definitions of what qualifies as a restaurant, but any place you would really go to eat is pretty much covered. I'm sure someone will post or link to the actual text of the law, but I'm too lazy

[enfield]

Yes, you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol (if it isn't posted) but, unlike Indiana, you can't partake of the alcohol while carrying. "Suck" is relative.

[Guest notaguestnow]

Sorry for the suck comment, I could have been more sensitive. The gun laws in Indiana favor gun holders to a higher degree then TN does it's citizens and soon me. My apology for using "suck" to describe the law.

Alright, with that out of the way the no carry signs now apply to any establishment right? Like here it's just a suggestion and we cant' get in any trouble so long as we leave if asked. I'm thinking it's much different there right?

[Guest bkelm18]

Sorry for the suck comment, I could have been more sensitive. The gun laws in Indiana favor gun holders to a higher degree then TN does it's citizens and soon me. My apology for using "suck" to describe the law.

Alright, with that out of the way the no carry signs now apply to any establishment right? Like here it's just a suggestion and we cant' get in any trouble so long as we leave if asked. I'm thinking it's much different there right?

The law clearly (or unclearly depending on who you ask) defines what the sign must say and look like for it to be legally binding, violation is a misdemeanor, however to be charged with a misdemeanor, it must be committed in the presence of a LEO. So basically the most the property owner can do is ask you to leave, which you must do or you can be arrested for trespassing.

[Guest Isaac]

If you carry into a place that is legally posted, it is a misdemeanor and carries a fine of 500$.

Edit: Damn, I keep replying at the same time as other people, heh

[Guest Arko]

Sorry for the suck comment, I could have been more sensitive. The gun laws in Indiana favor gun holders to a higher degree then TN does it's citizens and soon me. My apology for using "suck" to describe the law.

Thanks for backing that truck up. I was just about to get on high horse and tell you to stay where you are! I moved here from a place where the laws TRULY suck, and will never go back. I LOVE Tennessee.

Welcome!

[LagerHead]

Yes, you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol (if it isn't posted) but, unlike Indiana, you can't partake of the alcohol while carrying. "Suck" is relative.

What? How does anyone make it out of the state alive?

In all seriousness, I wouldn't drink while armed even if it were legal. With today's litigious society, why even have that be a question in a case if you ever had to use it? Just my $.02.

[Guest notaguestnow]

What? How does anyone make it out of the state alive?

In all seriousness, I wouldn't drink while armed even if it were legal. With today's litigious society, why even have that be a question in a case if you ever had to use it? Just my $.02.

Lol, I understand that. I'm almost 30 and I've not touched a single drink in my adult life. However, I'd the DD every time I've got friends/family that want to go out drinking because they know i'll get them home safe. I've not been into a bar unarmed just for the basic rule. if it can happen, it will. It's like the college campus debate in my opinion. I feel it's more likely to be a target if criminals know people like us are not allowed to be there.

And suck is harsh. I'm just looking through all the gun rights I'm losing and keep saying in my head "ah suck" every time I stumble across another difference. I'm coming from a very red state and I'm giving up my lifetime permit to come to TN, which might I add is the only state in the Union I want to live in. However, losing some of my gun rights is a sacrifice that i don't want to make, but have to. Really, you should see how great the LTC permit holder is favored in Indiana.

I was reading about when you can and can't use a firearm there and it's even largely different. Here, if someone is trying to escape form a forcible felony, you've got the right to use deadly force to stop them. While that sounds minimal, I can think of several situations it could be used properly and effectively to save a life.

I also read about civil suits in TN. Someone can come into my house here, I can shoot their toe off if the situation calls for it and as what seems to me common sense, they can't take me to court for it. In TN the way I understand it a man can come in, try to kill my kids and rape my wife and if I shoot him in the back and cripple him, he can sue me in a civil court for his medical expenses and lost wages, from his jail cell.

I'm trying to get a better understanding and prepare for the move. I'm not moving for 6 months and I'm reading up so I'm not blind sided when I get there. I'm going to get an FL permit soon so I don't have to sit out 90 days and be unable to protect my wife and kids. It's not that TN laws suck, it's that they are truly inferior to my current laws.

Now, some will be defensive, and thats alright. I'm not trying to say it offensively, just a difference some may not see and would explain my displeasure for the new gun laws I will be facing and why I want to learn more so I know how to handle each situation I've become accustomed to here.

[Guest bkelm18]

39-11-622. Justification for use of force — Exceptions — Immunity from civil liability. —

(a) (1) A person who uses force as permitted in §§ 39-11-611 — 39-11-614 or § 29-34-201, is justified in using such force and is immune from civil liability for the use of such force, unless:

(A) The person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in § 39-11-106 who:

(i) Was acting in the performance of the officer's official duties; and

(ii) Identified the officer in accordance with any applicable law; or

(iii) The person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer; or

( The force used by the person resulted in property damage to or the death or injury of an innocent bystander or other person against whom the force used was not justified.

( The court shall award reasonable attorney's fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by a person in defense of any civil action brought against the person based upon the person's use of force, if the court finds that the defendant was justified in using such force pursuant to §§ 39-11-611 — 39-11-614 or § 29-34-201.

[Acts 2007, ch. 210, § 3.]

TN Castle Doctrine is actually pretty good if you ask me. Powered by Google Docs

[PC7]

Since Tennessee sucks, here is an idea, how about you don’t move to Tennessee and just stay in your Obama blue state of Indiana ("Very red state" that is funny). It seems you forgot the results of the last election.

BTW, the Indiana’s CCW permit has less reciprocity than Tennessee’s HCP does. There are not many states with better firearms laws than Tennessee.

Edited August 11, 2009 by PC7

[Guest canynracer]

So wait, in IN you cant carry to the state fair?

Indiana Concealed Carry Permit Information

That sucks!

[Guest canynracer]

Although, I do like the idea of a "Lifetime" permit....

but WTF is up with Pink?

[Guest notaguestnow]

Since Tennessee sucks, here is an idea, how about you don’t move to Tennessee and just stay in your Obama blue state of Indiana ("Very red state" that is funny). It seems you forgot the results of the last election.

BTW, the Indiana’s CCW permit has less reciprocity than Tennessee’s HCP does. There are not many states with better firearms laws than Tennessee.

Here's and idea, learn to read.

[Guest notaguestnow]

And I never once said TN sucks. Someone lacks the ability to comprehend what they're reading.

[Guest PapaB]

notaguestnow

As someone that lived in Indiana for more than 20 years I can tell you that Tennessee, in my opinion, is a far better place to live and raise a family. My daughter, who is just slightly older than you, feels the same way.

I'll bet that gun laws aren't at the top of your list of things that improve your life. They may be near the top, but other things have a higher priority. One of the great things about our gun laws is the changes we've been able to make recently. I invite you to join us in our movement to continue those improvements.

Born a Yankee but proud to have become a Tennessean and a Southerner.

[Guest notaguestnow]

Thanks Papa, and for the record, I've been to TN more times than I can count and I'm not being forced to move there. I'm in a financial situation, for the first time in my life that I can live anywhere I chose, and I want to live in what I feel is the greatest state in the union. TN has been the top of my list for a long time and I really can't wait. Like you said, gun laws are not the top of my list, but they certainly hold to some of my values. Responsible gun ownership is as much a part of my life as sports, or fast cars would be to others. I enjoy shooting, I enjoy the fact that I can protect myself and family against those who don't respect my life or theirs.

This isn't different from most gun owners I don't believe. Yes, I'm 100% sure I'm moving to TN, there's no other place I want to be. I want to understand and adjust ot the laws before I get there so I'm not one of the fools the liberal misconstrues as a villain in their backward attempt to criminalize honest hard working law abiding citizens. I don't' think it's anywhere near unreasonable to want to understand the laws better, which was my original intention. Some took offense to using the word suck to describe the laws, and yet another thought I was attacking TN saying it sucked. sigh. whatever though, my only intention is to know more about the law so that I'm not counter productive to my right and your right to defend our loved ones.

[Guest donfromtexas]

Some took offense to using the word suck to describe the laws, and yet another thought I was attacking TN saying it sucked. sigh. whatever though, my only intention is to know more about the law so that I'm not counter productive to my right and your right to defend our loved ones.

ya gotta member this h'ar state borders KY (no sir, not da jelly) and VA and sum dem der folks done moved on down tew.

Yew c'mon down n enjoy yerself an dunt be boterd by them thar idjuts.

Welcome to Tennessee, when you get here that is. I too am an imigrant and love it here!

[Guest dlstewart01]

Some of our fine folks... or is that Ky.. just funnin;)

[Fallguy]

I also read about civil suits in TN. Someone can come into my house here, I can shoot their toe off if the situation calls for it and as what seems to me common sense, they can't take me to court for it. In TN the way I understand it a man can come in, try to kill my kids and rape my wife and if I shoot him in the back and cripple him, he can sue me in a civil court for his medical expenses and lost wages, from his jail cell.

See the law in bkelm18's post.

If they can find a lawyer to take the case, Yes, they can sue, but when they loose they have to pay for everything it cost you to defend against the suit.

If it is an open and shut justified shooting I think most thugs are going to be very hard pressed to find a lawyer to take case, especially if the other person has to get paid before they do, if they loose.

Without checking IN laws I would be it is pretty similar, AFAIK no law can block someones access to the courts (i.e. can't sue) they can only say what is done after a ruling is made.

[Guest JHatmaker]

Just curious, where in Tennessee are you moving to?

[Wingshooter]

Some of our fine folks... or is that Ky.. just funnin;)

Hey, I'm pretty sure I saw that family at Walmart!

[TNTitan]

Im sure that kissing that big fat Indiana income tax goodbye will make things "suck" less

Welcome to the Volunteer State.