Obama Care - An Atrocity!

[Guest oldfella]

Obama Care – An Atrocity

Betsy McCaughey is interviewed by Fred Thompson. She has read the massive bill pending regarding health insurance.

Check it out:

http://fredthompsonshow.com/premiumstrea....XlsaXN0U2l6ZT01

[Guest SUNTZU]

Thanks for the link. I'm listening to it now.

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

Betsey McCaughey is a tool the healthcare industry. She's one of the kooks promoting the lie that Obama wants to use healthcare to kill off old people.

Fred Thompson's just trying to get rich like Rush....he'll put anybody on the air to entertain his audience.

What do you think we should do to fix our broken healthcare system?

P.S.

If you don't recognize that there are major problems don't waste my time.

[Rightwinger]

Betsey McCaughey is a tool the healthcare industry. She's one of the kooks promoting the lie that Obama wants to use healthcare to kill off old people.

Fred Thompson's just trying to get rich like Rush....he'll put anybody on the air to entertain his audience.

What do you think we should do to fix our broken healthcare system?

P.S.

If you don't recognize that there are major problems don't waste my time.

Make healthcare competitive and let free markets determine it. Quit all the micro managment regulation. Pick key performance indicators like people in plan vs price vs recurring visits for example. A phsycian that has to see a person 3 times to tell them they have a cold is not providing a good service and gets a low rating.

When an employer has multiple companies wanting to service their insurance they will lower rates, add services, and reduce the conditions as more people join the risk pool. Proven over and over, when you let people compete, it drives prices down. Why would we want the proven factor of govt, that runs nothing successfully, to have a monopoly on healthcare? If you want good healthcare, keep the Fed OUT!

That's how you fix it.

[Guest SUNTZU]

Betsey McCaughey is a tool the healthcare industry. She's one of the kooks promoting the lie that Obama wants to use healthcare to kill off old people.

Fred Thompson's just trying to get rich like Rush....he'll put anybody on the air to entertain his audience.

What do you think we should do to fix our broken healthcare system?

P.S.

If you don't recognize that there are major problems don't waste my time.

I'm still waiting for your response to the thread below.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/23831-national-healthcare-moves-forward-three-cheers-more-govt-continue-11.html

It seems that you feel that it should be mandated that working people take care of poor people in the thread linked above. You mentioned "SCREW THE POOR" in one of your responses. Define "poor" for me, please. Do you mean people working and not able to get by, or people who don't, or rarely, work and rely on Federal Aid (taxpayer money). Or do you mean something else entirely. Trying to understand the foundation of your argument, Ralph. Thanks.

[Wingshooter]

Betsey McCaughey is a tool the healthcare industry. She's one of the kooks promoting the lie that Obama wants to use healthcare to kill off old people.

Fred Thompson's just trying to get rich like Rush....he'll put anybody on the air to entertain his audience.

What do you think we should do to fix our broken healthcare system?

P.S.

If you don't recognize that there are major problems don't waste my time.

Major problems? I happen to like my health insurance and my doctor, and I don't want it to change for the worst. I do realize that it needs improvement and not everyone has access to it.

How to fix it? What Rightwinger said. Plus, let the doctor decide what a patient needs not the insurance company. That way, patients can get the care they need the first time instead of having to jump through hoops with the insurance company.

If the government wants to get into the health care business, let them start an insurance company. They can offer a plan to those that want it. I'm sure it would be great. After all, the government does a very good job running the IRS, TSA, INS, etc.

Edited July 30, 2009 by Batman

[Steelharp]

If the government want to get into the health care business, let them start an insurance company.

Worked great with TennCare, didn't it? Jeez... some morons...

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

Worked great with TennCare, didn't it? Jeez... some morons...

My wife couldn't get insurance from private companies at any price.

Tenncare covered her....it worked for a lot of people. It ended because Phil Bredesen is an unprincipled coward who lacked the courage to impose a surtax on steel guitar players to finance it

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

Make healthcare competitive and let free markets determine it. Quit all the micro managment regulation. Pick key performance indicators like people in plan vs price vs recurring visits for example. A phsycian that has to see a person 3 times to tell them they have a cold is not providing a good service and gets a low rating.

When an employer has multiple companies wanting to service their insurance they will lower rates, add services, and reduce the conditions as more people join the risk pool. Proven over and over, when you let people compete, it drives prices down. Why would we want the proven factor of govt, that runs nothing successfully, to have a monopoly on healthcare? If you want good healthcare, keep the Fed OUT!

That's how you fix it.

What "micro-management regulation" are you referring to?

I agree Doctors should be rated for a number of reasons, including weeding out quacks.

You hit on the key I think in getting "more people to join the risk pool"

That's the basic goal of the current reforms and until most people are in the pool I don't believe things can be improved.

Problems I'd like to see dealt with--

-It's hard to get insurance at all if you have any serious medical problems.

-Insurance companies too often drop people when they get sick.

-Rates are going up at a ridiculous pace.

Getting more healthy people in the pool would ameliorate these problems.

I don't favor a government monopoly either, however unless we require insurance companies to sell to everyone at roughly the same price there will be a need for some entity to cover those denied care or unable to afford it. It's important to remember that we already pay for the uninsured poor when they go to emergency rooms....some of the most expensive healthcare around.

Best regards,

RGB

[enfield]

Obamacare can be summarized as "Take two aspirin and call your undertaker".

[DWARREN123]

Queation I have is why should I have to pay for somene else insurance? The government health care will require that I pay for others and pay a lot.

The government has a bad track record for running or trying to run any type of company.

[Guest SUNTZU]

My wife couldn't get insurance from private companies at any price.

Tenncare covered her....it worked for a lot of people. It ended because Phil Bredesen is an unprincipled coward who lacked the courage to impose a surtax on steel guitar players to finance it

What "micro-management regulation" are you referring to?

I agree Doctors should be rated for a number of reasons, including weeding out quacks.

You hit on the key I think in getting "more people to join the risk pool"

That's the basic goal of the current reforms and until most people are in the pool I don't believe things can be improved.

Problems I'd like to see dealt with--

-It's hard to get insurance at all if you have any serious medical problems.

-Insurance companies too often drop people when they get sick.

-Rates are going up at a ridiculous pace.

Getting more healthy people in the pool would ameliorate these problems.

I don't favor a government monopoly either, however unless we require insurance companies to sell to everyone at roughly the same price there will be a need for some entity to cover those denied care or unable to afford it. It's important to remember that we already pay for the uninsured poor when they go to emergency rooms....some of the most expensive healthcare around.

Best regards,

RGB

Why won't you answer my questions? Are you having trouble defining a poor person? From what I'm reading, you only want to say how bad things are now and how much better it would be under government control. Define YOUR solution to YOUR healthcare problems.

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

Obamacare can be summarized as "Take two aspirin and call your undertaker".

Cute, but not reality-based.

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

Why won't you answer my questions? Are you having trouble defining a poor person? From what I'm reading, you only want to say how bad things are now and how much better it would be under government control. Define YOUR solution to YOUR healthcare problems.

Oh hello.

Why don't you read this thread from the beginning and participate in it, or not, rather than trying to inject some previous thread.

[Guest SUNTZU]

Because it seems there is a dead horse you are wanting to beat in every healthcare thread that arises.

[Mark@Sea]

It's simple. He can't afford to pay for what he wants. Having the government force you to pay for him is the solution. Neater and less troublesome than mugging, I suppose, but can't see a practical difference in the results.

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

I'm still waiting for your response to the thread below.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/23831-national-healthcare-moves-forward-three-cheers-more-govt-continue-11.html

It seems that you feel that it should be mandated that working people take care of poor people in the thread linked above. You mentioned "SCREW THE POOR" in one of your responses. Define "poor" for me, please. Do you mean people working and not able to get by, or people who don't, or rarely, work and rely on Federal Aid (taxpayer money). Or do you mean something else entirely. Trying to understand the foundation of your argument, Ralph. Thanks.

Ok man, here goes--sorry to keep you waiting.

I don't think working people should be mandated to care for the poor.

I think those at the top of the economic ladder who have enjoyed "welfare for the rich" since Reagan should give back a little to help the less fortunate.

Define "poor?" I think I see what you're asking.

OK--As it relates to healthcare:

More than half the home foreclosures in recent months have been because of medical expenses--people who couldn't get insurance, couldn't afford insurance, or whose insurance companies dropped them after they got sick. Most of them probably didn't think they were poor prior to that. A whole lot of us, probably most of us whether we realize it or not, live in a condition where we're one catastrophic illness away from poverty or at least great financial distress.

Then there are the "working poor"...some of the true heroes in our society. I and I think most people feel they deserve a little help on the healthcare front.

The non-working poor--we already pay for their healthcare in emergency rooms (providing insurance would be cheaper) or in prisons.

By the definition of the economic elites who control the Republican party I suppose anyone who isn't a millionaire would be considered "poor."

It's the middle-class on down they're truly screwing, while using fear-mongering media shills to convince large numbers of folks that they're the party of "God, guns, the flag, family values" etc. when, in reality they're the party of corporate greed. "Follow the money" where politicians opposed to healthcare reform are concerned at it will take you right to the door of big pharma and the insurance companies. Surprise surprise!

[Guest Ralph G. Briscoe]

It's simple. He can't afford to pay for what he wants. Having the government force you to pay for him is the solution. Neater and less troublesome than mugging, I suppose, but can't see a practical difference in the results.

C'mon....what a silly thing to say, and it adds nothing on value to the debate. You know nothing of my financial circumstances but I can assure you I don't need or ask for help from anyone. It's revealing that you would assume self-interest to be my motive. Is that what makes you run?

[Bigiron]

I'm 67 years old. Reckon I'm done for.

[Metalhead]

Ralph,

I dont know you, but I surmise from your posts here recently that you care about healthcare.

[Mark@Sea]

"Give back a little" of what? Oh, their income. What belonged to them to start with...

Hey, anyone remember the economic conditions prevailing when Reagan took office? Stag-flation, high unemployment and so forth? So the result of Reagans' "welfare for the rich" was a robust economy, very low unemployment, and higher standards of living for all.... Recovery from the Jimmuh Carter era of "tax the rich to feed the poor".

Oh, sorry, not supposed to remind anyone of Carter, his policies and the economic results, lest the O be compared to same... my bad. Does that make me a racist?

Naturally, pharmaceuticals and insurance companies are the villains as well. That an overwhelming majority of medical advances are made by US pharmaceuticals (who have a financial interest in creating new solutions) rather than, say, french companies who can't sell new products for enough to recoup their investment - much less that evil 'profit' - has no bearing.

Ralph, your numbers on foreclosures due to illness... I find two primary sources for them. An outfit in Canada that sells (wait for it) illness insurance, and "Physicians for a National Health Program". Would you have any better, more credible sources? Like maybe someone who actually works in the mortgage industry?

I'm pretty sure that the majority of foreclosures are due to 1)loss of work 2)walking away from too much debt. At any rate, I've seen this argument debunked many months ago.

Actually, my previous statement stands. You want something that belongs to someone else provided to you through the good offices of the government. You can't really pretty it up enough to disguise it as anything more than that.

Edited July 30, 2009 by Mark@Sea

[Guest redbarron06]

Ok man, here goes--sorry to keep you waiting.

I don't think working people should be mandated to care for the poor.

I think those at the top of the economic ladder who have enjoyed "welfare for the rich" since Reagan should give back a little to help the less fortunate.

Why? They earned thier money. The money is thiers just like mine is mine. The top 1% of income earners also pay almost 60% of the taxes paid every year. Depending on who you talk to 45-48% of the people in this country either pay no taxes or get money they never paid into the system. Why should the folks that are carrying this counrty now have to carry the sick too? There is no such thing as a right to health care insurance or health care. You think BHO cares about your health care?? Think again, look at the patient that his wife sent to a hospital across town because he did not have insurance? Then look into the plans that are being considered. They claim that 48 mil americans dont have insurance. Well to start with, that number is inflated some of those people dont want it so they dont really count, some are in a grace peroid between jobs and will have insurance in a couple of weeks so they dont count either and 12 million of them are illegals. So the real number is roughly half of that. And guess who dont have insurance now that will after this gets signed, nobody. BHO said if you like your current carrier and doc you wont have to change well you wont for 5 years unless you have one little change, like a child or a death or a different job. Then jump to the house bill page 245&6. Once you make 60 years old you will be mandated to do "end of life counseling" and every 5 years after that. When somebody asked BHO about it he made a joke. When he realized that it was not a joke he said "we want to encourage the use of living wills". You can drink that if you want to but I aint.

What is the right answer for health care, I dont know but I know that the govt track record with medicare, Social Security, VA, car company bail outs, bank bail outs, and in general upholding the constitution, I dont want them anywhere near my health care.

[USMCJG]

Ralph, I am truly sorry that your wife is unable to get health insurance. Really, I am. All I would like to know is why it is our(the taxpayers) responsibility to provide it for her? And do you really believe that THIS plan will make things better for the majority of Americans, or just for you?

[Chief07]

While Congress is "debating" (BS) they are changing the wording to make this Government run disaster sound better. They think that Americans are stupid and will

give in. Call your Congressman and Senators and tell them NO to Government run health care.

None of then read the bill. Don't let them lie to you.

Tell them to vote no or you will vote against them next election cycle.

Ask them if they would give up their golden health care plan that Congress has and go

on the same plan they are trying to force down our throats.

There is hidden sections that haven't even been made public yet.

Help us save America.

Ray

[Guest Phantom6]