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molonlabetn Prolific Contributor

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If a gun will second-strike, it will usually fire a hard primer. If I have a limited number of rounds at my disposal, in a fast-paced situation... you'd better believe that I'd hit it a second time before performing a failure drill!

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The Rabbi Prolific Contributor

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I've always trained to tap and rack... but that's just me.

I always trained to pull the trigger again, turning the cylinder to align the next round. But that's just me...

Urse Established Contributor

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I have always trained to immediately Tap/Rack. This is one of the reasons a second strike capability is a moot point to me. It is much more efficient to train to do what you know works. What if I pull the trigger a second time and it still does not work? Oops!

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TGO David Postus Maximus

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I always trained to remove another cap and ball from my belt pouch, grip the package between my teeth, tear it open, pack the next round and unleash hell. But that's just me...

Wow. You know... I never took those musket comments seriously until now. :taser:

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Having actually been in this situation, I like to be able to pull the trigger again. If one round in a box has a hard primer, you will have more, if not all, like it in there too. If you tap & rack, there is a very good possibility that the next round will be a problem as well. At least I have the option of pulling the trigger a second, or as Molonlabetn says, a third time if necessary.

Most of the time they go bang on the second pull.

There is no "right" answer for this. Most people revert to training (hopefully) in these situations, but the people who survive long-term use their brain along the way too. Factors such as ammunition supply and proximity to the enemy come into play, as well as your experience with that particular gun/ammo combination.

I see only advantages to having a second-strike option, whether you use it or not.

Urse Established Contributor

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I always trained to pull the trigger again, turning the cylinder to align the next round. But that's just me...

:taser:+100 that is hard to argue with right there.

The Rabbi Prolific Contributor

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I always trained to throw the useless gun at my foe, draw my sabre, and slay the miscreant

Wow. You know... I never took those musket comments seriously until now. :taser:
GhostDog Established Contributor

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It's gonna be tough to remember all this "tactical" advice the next time I'm crawling through a drainage ditch in Central America, trying to make the world safe for democracy w/ nothing but a rusty ice pick and my trusty, privately owned USP loaded w/ two rounds of fifty year old Mexican 40S&W ammo. I think I'll concentrate on the sabre.:taser:

The Rabbi Prolific Contributor

The Rabbi

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I've heard those tomahawks are liable to kB at any time. It seems they have an unsupported haft and this is the cause. Besides, they were the low bidder in the Indian Wars.....:taser:

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I've heard those tomahawks are liable to kB at any time. It seems they have an unsupported haft and this is the cause. Besides, they were the low bidder in the Indian Wars.....:P

:taser: That's great Rabbi! :D

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I've heard those tomahawks are liable to kB at any time. It seems they have an unsupported haft and this is the cause. Besides, they were the low bidder in the Indian Wars.....:taser:

But then there is that pesky saber leg problem when returning said saber to it sheath... :stir:

The Rabbi Prolific Contributor

The Rabbi

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But then there is that pesky saber leg problem when returning said saber to it sheath... :taser:

This goes to training. If you train to clear your weapon out of the sheath properly then you won't have any problems.

Let's face it: the tomahawk has been out for a long time and they still haven't made any improvements on it. Sure, every brave carries one and they killed lots of white men, but I don't think the weapon is accurate past 6 feet. With a good sabre you can really reach out and touch someone. Say, 7 feet. Yes, a tomahawk inflicts a bigger hole but I'll take longer and faster any day.

And a sabre can be every bit as reliable as long as you clean it regularly and check its pommel. Most problems are caused by lack of maintenance, not the weapon's inherent design.

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TGO David Postus Maximus

TGO David

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I've heard those tomahawks are liable to kB at any time. It seems they have an unsupported haft and this is the cause. Besides, they were the low bidder in the Indian Wars.....:taser:

Bah, you're jaded because you carry your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-uncle's weapon still.

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fury2neon

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Bah, you're jaded because you carry your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-uncle's weapon still.

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I would say that his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-uncle's weapon worked pretty well... :stir:

fury2neon Established Contributor

fury2neon

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To go with the saber you have to OC, where as the Tomahawk can be concealed.

Also, if you need firewood the Tomahawk comes in real handy where as you might mar the finish on the saber. It has more than just the offensive and defensive capabilities of the saber. Its a multipurpose tool... :taser:

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I just checked with the local hospitals and they tell me we have had only a couple of saber related leg or butt woundings in the past few years and only one with a tomahawk. The tomahawk one was alcohol related.

The Rabbi Prolific Contributor

The Rabbi

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Great. Now the Dems will have a field day telling us their "Blade Control" measures are working to reduce crime.

To me, Blade Control means disemboweling my target. Blades don't kill people, people kill people.

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G&A never saw a gun they didn't like. I'm a subscriber, but only because there are too few gunrags not to.

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TGO David Postus Maximus

TGO David

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G&A never saw a gun they didn't like. I'm a subscriber, but only because there are too few gunrags not to.

Well... they saw a gun they thought that they didn't like once, but they realized they were mistaken when it was pointed out that it belonged to an advertiser. :taser:

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