Winchester Super X Subsonic - Any info?

[Guest abailey362]

Got a box of this (in .40 S&W) with a purchase recently and can't find any info on it. Winchester's site just has a single reference listed to the subsonic that was developed for the navy. Looks like it is either not made any more or not available to the public. I normally carry Ranger SXT and wondering if anyone had experience with the subsonic.

[Guest joeharris]

"Subsonic Ammo"

A Clarification Regarding a Greatly Over-used Term

First, ya gotta know that subsonic simply means "beneath the speed of sound," which figure can be obtained (it varies with ambient temperature and humidity) at the Speed of Sound Calculator website. (For the purposes of this monograph, a figure of 1117 feet per second will be utilized, given input parameters of standard atmospheric pressure, 59° Fahrenheit and 10% humidity.)

Within the firearms community, the "subsonic" nomenclature originally was a convenient description to differentiate the heavyweight 147-grain 9 X 19mm round (at a nominal 950-1000 fps) from the conventional "supersonic" 90-to-124 grain rounds in that chambering, turning up muzzle velocities in the 1150-1400 fps range.

This loading began life as a type of "mildcat cartridge" when the SEAL Teams custom-loaded 140-grain .357 WW Silvertips swaged down to 0.355" for use in their suppressed H&K MP5s… a supersonic cartridge in a suppressed weapon tends to defeat the whole concept of noise attenuation as there will still be that distinctive trans-sonic "crack," and the Teams discovered that they required a cartridge with a projectile weight heavier than the NATO standard of 123-124 grains in order to reliably cycle the bolts of their submachine guns.

On 11 April 1986, an FBI rolling stakeout squad got shot to pieces in Miami by a mortally-wounded bank robber, all within the four minutes between receiving a "non-survivable, potentially fatal wound" (actual "cop-speak") from a Winchester 115-grain Silvertip, and the application of a headshot with a 158-grain 38 Special +P round.

For mostly political reasons, in September 1987, the FBI convened and facilitated its first "Wound Ballistics Seminar" at Quantico, Virginia, during which Colonel Martin L. Fackler, M.D., U.S.A., then at the Army's Letterman Institute/Presidio, delivered his seminal position paper which essentially stated that "penetration is everything" in the matter of effective wounding with handgun projectiles, opining that the days of "light 'n' fast" rounds, championed by an earlier National Institute of Justice study, such as the 90-grain and 115-grain 9 X 19mm, 110-grain and 125-grain .38Special/.357 Magnum, and 185-grain .45 ACPs, were over if one was serious about taking a handgun to a lethal encounter.

It was thereafter generally accepted that had that 115-grain Silvertip hollowpoint not stopped just short of the Michael Platt's heart (see illustration), that he would have stopped his depredations immediately, and not been able to subsequently murder Special Agents Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove. Then Firearms Training Unit SAC John Hall even went so far as to declare in an interview with my colleague Charlie Petty, that "[a]ll other things aside Miami was an ammo failure."1

From that Seminar emerged the buzzwords "penetration" and "subsonic," as well as the first skirmish in a war that endures today… the light 'n' fast / Marshall-Sanow faction of empiricists (amusingly yclept "morgue monsters"2), versus the heavy and deep / Fackler-IWBA faction of gelatin shooters (a/k/a "JellO-junkies").

Shortly after that 1987 seminar, the ammunition manufacturers, led by Winchester with its "OSM" round, all introduced 147-grain loadings in their 9 X 19mm cartridge lines, some even marketing their products as "subsonic." This was, of course, followed by the gunzine contributors bandying the term around as if it was some sort of mystical incantation, the mere utterance of which would stop an adversary dead where he stood.

Those that knew, smiled to themselves, stayed with whatever rounds were reliable in their sidearms and kept right on with their time-honored "Front Sight… Trigger… P-R-E-S-S" regimen; others rushed out and purchased the new "subsonic" rounds as if they were wire-guided not-fully-depleted uranium projectiles or hand-held particle-ionization beams.

1. - Charlie Petty notes: "I asked SSA Hall to repeat it three times to be sure I got it right. The quote came about because I mentioned the several other flaws that led to the incident. And in context you could see it that way."

2. - Evan Marshall writes: "I created the Morgue Monster phrase to poke fun at myself."

by Dean Speir, formerly famous gunwriter.

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Marshall's Critique…

"I think the description in your subsonic piece is an over-simplification. After all, the best .45 ACP is a 230 grain Hydra-Shok, the best .38 is a 158 grain LHP, and the best .40 S&W is a 165 grain JHP.

Keep up the good work!" - Evan Marshall

Words from a Police Firearms Instructor

"It is my firm personal be­lief that there are prob­ably a dozen very ser­vice­able brands/styles of ammo available for carry, and that sep­ara­ting the very good from the very very good is time con­sum­ing and probably hypo­thet­ical. That's why I have relied on Marshall's studies. I have had many cops ask me what type of ammo to carry in different guns and my suggestion has always been…. across the spectrum of different calibers I think you can't go wrong with Gold Dot or Hydra-Shok." - Charley Vanderhyde

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