Beale Street to Ban All Guns

[leroy]

Is it just me or are TN cities the only ones making such a big fuss about this? I don't remember reading similar stories from surrounding states with legislation that allows permit holders to carry into restaurants where alcohol is served, including AL and GA.

Brandon makes a great point. Tennessee newspapers are braying about this and sitirring it up because they are socialist in their worldview and owned by large holding companies and families who are East Coast liberals, not Tennesseeans; all married to the socialist utopia anti-American dream crowd espoused by the Dems at this point in history. The newspapers make lots of noise about this because it's a propoganda issue to them. The newspapers partner with the minority fringe groups to take up these idiotic causes with disgusting regularity because it is a political jihad with the most of them. That allows the minority view to have a perceived "giant magaphone" and makes their view an imagined majority status. It's an old trick" "yell loud and often, you may be percieved as the majority." They also lead the childish along who dont know what their rights are; or worse still, dont care.

The newspaper presumes to take the "high ground" on every issue and lead the childish along -- they have been doing this as long as newspapers have been around. Never expect the newspapers to do the right thing -- their worldview simply wont allow it to happen. The best way to get even with them is to quit trading with them, and starve them to death. I started doing my part a long time ago.

I also believe that in the citidels of lunacy like Knoxville, Nashville, Memphis, and sometimes Chattanooga; the usual crowd: the socialists, the anti-Americans, the non-thinkers, hippies, peacenicks, gutter trash, ect. ect.-- are easily lead around by local demigogues (read that local polititians) -- mostly in city government; and that's exactly what's going on with the gun carry issue. It's all being done by folks to garner votes from their individual constitutiencies. The only way to counter this is by becoming active in your local political sphere. That's exactly what has happened on the state level and exactly why gun rights are being restored in TN.

Let's keep up the good work and hold those who say and do these idiotic things accountable at the voting booth. There will be voting precincts where our beliefs will never be accepted; but we need to keep working on them. There are other precincts where we can and have made great strides. Political activism is the most important thing we who honor the Constitution and the Bill of Rights can be involved in right now' because of the great assault on them.

Don't worry about the papers, start your own jihad for the truth, be politically active!!

Keep up the good work!!

Kind regards,

LEROY

[leroy]

I wrote a long diatribe about the failure of Performa Entertainment Real Estate. I don't care any more.

I work on Beale occasionally and am a lifelong Memphian. I live in a city that seeks nothing more than my tax dollars and my sympathy for the vermin that pollute its government. They tout my work and the work of my peers as the one of the greatest reasons to visit, and they constantly make it difficult for me to do my job safely and well. Beale St will lose a 12 year veteran of its clubs over this, and I can't WAIT to find people that are willing to hear it.

AMEN. WHAT A TRUTH!!!

Kwwp up the good work!

King regards,

LEROY

[Guest HexHead]

Brandon makes a great point. Tennessee newspapers are braying about this and sitirring it up because they are socialist in their worldview and owned by large holding companies and families who are East Coast liberals, not Tennesseeans; all married to the socialist utopia anti-American dream crowd espoused by the Dems at this point in history. The newspapers make lots of noise about this because it's a propoganda issue to them. The newspapers partner with the minority fringe groups to take up these idiotic causes with disgusting regularity because it is a political jihad with the most of them. That allows the minority view to have a perceived "giant magaphone" and makes their view an imagined majority status. It's an old trick" "yell loud and often, you may be percieved as the majority." They also lead the childish along who dont know what their rights are; or worse still, dont care.

The newspaper presumes to take the "high ground" on every issue and lead the childish along -- they have been doing this as long as newspapers have been around. Never expect the newspapers to do the right thing -- their worldview simply wont allow it to happen. The best way to get even with them is to quit trading with them, and starve them to death. I started doing my part a long time ago.

I also believe that in the citidels of lunacy like Knoxville, Nashville, Memphis, and sometimes Chattanooga; the usual crowd: the socialists, the anti-Americans, the non-thinkers, hippies, peacenicks, gutter trash, ect. ect.-- are easily lead around by local demigogues (read that local polititians) -- mostly in city government; and that's exactly what's going on with the gun carry issue. It's all being done by folks to garner votes from their individual constitutiencies. The only way to counter this is by becoming active in your local political sphere. That's exactly what has happened on the state level and exactly why gun rights are being restored in TN.

There's more at work here as well. Look at the younger generation today. Since the day they started Kindergarten, they've been told guns are evil and and had "zero tolerance" drummed into their heads by our socialist teachers. Back in the day, we used to be able to play with toy guns, now a kid can get suspended from school for drawing a picture with a gun or pointing his finger at someone. And God forbid he says "bang" when he does that. So it's easy to see why we get so many comments like "I just can't understand why you need a gun at...." or "I won't go anywhere someone is carrying a gun." They've had this mentality drummed into them since they've been 5 years old. And you can be sure they'll raise their kids the same way.

[leroy]

There's more at work here as well. Look at the younger generation today. Since the day they started Kindergarten, they've been told guns are evil and and had "zero tolerance" drummed into their heads by our socialist teachers. Back in the day, we used to be able to play with toy guns, now a kid can get suspended from school for drawing a picture with a gun or pointing his finger at someone. And God forbid he says "bang" when he does that. So it's easy to see why we get so many comments like "I just can't understand why you need a gun at...." or "I won't go anywhere someone is carrying a gun." They've had this mentality drummed into them since they've been 5 years old. And you can be sure they'll raise their kids the same way.

Move this man to the head of the class!!! This is a great truth. You are exactly right!! We need to pay close attention to who sits on the local school board and who the superintendent of schools is.

Great insight!! Keep up the good work!

Kind regards,

LEROY

[wjh2657]

Beale Street is a classic example of a "3-S" place anyways. This is exactly what you should avoid if you don't want to get into trouble.

[GLOCKMEISTER]

time for someone to file suit against the The Beale Street Entertainment District ... and if the Memphis police try and enforce this on a public street then they should be sued too.

[Photoguy67]

I am not an attorney, but isn't this a violation of the 4th amendment to the constitution? Seems to me its unlawfull for the police to search people on a public street with out probable cause.

Billy

[BrandonTN]

You live in Chattanooga, wouldn't you like to see all your criminals and thugs shipped to Memphis?

-1 for my reading comprehension.

[Guest redbarron06]

I have an idea since Nashville is ranked #9, all the decent citizens from Memphis move to Middle and East TN., and all the scumbags from Middle and East TN. move to Memphis and let them succeed and create their own state and make up their own laws.

I have a better idea, why dont we take all of the turd sacks from all over the US and put them in Cali and then kick them out. This would of course include have of the federal reps from Cali and barny Frank, BHO, and Biden. We can have all the crooks in the same place at once.

[tnoutdoors9]

Shelby County has seen the last of my dollars. My concern is that other cities, such as Nashville seeing this and taking Second Avenue, Broadway, etc. and implementing similar laws. They are only shooting themselves in the foot, no pun intended. As much as I enjoy traveling throughout the state, I refuse to support ignorance and stupidity.

[Guest canynracer]

I have a better idea, why dont we take all of the turd sacks from all over the US and put them in Cali and then kick them out. This would of course include have of the federal reps from Cali and barny Frank, BHO, and Biden. We can have all the crooks in the same place at once.

Better yet...all gun owners get Cali...the weather is much better!!! and beautiful scenery.

[Guest Phantom6]

Better yet...all gun owners get Cali...the weather is much better!!! and beautiful scenery.

You are kidding right? I'll take my rock and roll from the stereo or the stage not the ground I walk on, thank you! Besides, "God is just waiting for one more nut to move to California and then He's gonna lop the whole thing off into the ocean" (Archie Bunker, 1978). Ok, maybe He's waiting for more than one nut but the point is that one day He's gonna do it and Archie will be proven right! Besides, I've been to Kalifornia and I ain't left nothing there that I need to go back after... thank God! I'll just stay here in my beautiful East Tennessee mountains. Besides, with the equipment and skills I've got, I'm consistantly good out to about 600 meters.... 800 in a pinch if I'm lucky and the wind is right.

[DaveTN]

and police officers and private security guards will use hand held metal detectors to search patrons before they are permitted inside the barricades blocking the entrances onto Beale Street.

And what happens when they find a HCP holder carrying?

[Fallguy]

And what happens when they find a HCP holder carrying?

From what others have said, the person would be denied entry onto a public street.

[Guest justme]

From what others have said, the person would be denied entry onto a public street.

Which means a nice big lawsuit....and one could only hope the city of Memphis gets involved in denying entry onto a public street...that would hopefully mean a lot more money for the person when the lawsuit is done...

[Guest canynracer]

Unless you can prove and know for a fact that Beale is a public street, there will be no lawsuit.

...it is closed down every night and they are already searching you before you go...they just dont have the wand.

so far...no lawsuits.

[Guest justme]

Unless you can prove and know for a fact that Beale is a public street, there will be no lawsuit.

...it is closed down every night and they are already searching you before you go...they just dont have the wand.

so far...no lawsuits.

that is why anyone who does choose to push it should check to make sure before hand...as for no lawsuits so far--maybe they simply have yet to find the right person...

[Fallguy]

Unless you can prove and know for a fact that Beale is a public street, there will be no lawsuit.

...it is closed down every night and they are already searching you before you go...they just dont have the wand.

so far...no lawsuits.

Has anyone been denied entry before?

What about those under 21, are they allowed on the street?

[Guest canynracer]

yes, but obviously not in bars...not sure about denials....but I know they have taken several knives...

but after further research..."Beale became run down and many stores closed, although on May 23, 1966, the section of the street from Main to 4th was declared a National Historic Landmark.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-nhlsum_2-1>[3]</SUP><SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-nrhpinv2_0-1>[1]</SUP> On December 15, 1977, Beale Street was officially declared as the "Home of the Blues" by an act of Congress. Despite this national recognition of its historic significance, it was not until the 1980s that Beale Street received attention from local lawmakers, which led to an economic revitalization, with many new clubs and attractions opening. The street is now home to a chapter of the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences."

so...its a national historical landmark...OH...and, if you go here http://www.bealestreet.com...and go to the contact us part, you will see that there is a corporate office

Whether you need help organizing your groups trip to World Famous Beale Street or simply want information about our the street, we are here to help you.

Beale Street Corporate Offices

203 Beale Street, Suite 300

Memphis, TN 38103

901-526-0110 phone

901-526-0125 fax

bluesmaster@bealestreet.com

so, it appears that it is private, or enough to post guards.

[Guest crotalus01]

And what happens when they find a HCP holder carrying?

I will let you know if (when) I go down there. I need to do some more research first into the historic district status. I am currently working on getting an attorney on retainer...

[Guest canynracer]

You should also investigate the fact that Beale street has a corporate office...which means its owned by someone...if it is...then posting and metal detectors are legal.

privatley owned...kinda like Graceland...ya know?

[Fallguy]

Hmmm, very interesting.

Seems like maybe it isn't such a "public" street after all.

Oh well...as I've said...I've not lost anything in Memphis...let alone Beale St....

[Guest canynracer]

I live here and do go to beale anymore...the four times I have been there they searched everyone, which didnt matter, cause I was still freaked out.

yeah, I dont leave my comfort zone here in the suburbs... and even then, I always carry!!

[Guest Phantom6]

You should also investigate the fact that Beale street has a corporate office...which means its owned by someone...if it is...then posting and metal detectors are legal.

privatley owned...kinda like Graceland...ya know?

I believe you worry too much about the "corporate office" you found on their website. Beale Street is a National Historic Landmark District (NHLD) which means it is a historic district that is recognized as a National Historic Landmark . Most NHLD's include not only contributing properties that have buildings, structures, sites, etc., but may include non-contributing properties as well. I believe the corporation you refer to is the Beale Street Management Corporation (their address is the same as that listed on the website's "Contact Us" page you quoted) which was formed by the city of Memphis to acquire and manage property along Beale Street in the NHLD of Beal Street. There are other corporations involved most prominantly, Performa Entertainment RealEstate Corporation which controls and operates ALL of the entertainment in the district. their Corporate offices are located elsewhere in Memphis but they maintain an office up on the 300 block of Beal. Who is Performa? Well, In the late 1970s, the City of Memphis purchased and/or otherwise acquired most of the properties along the street and formed the aforementioned Beale Street Management Corporation which then brought Performa on board in 1982 to oversee the creation of an entertainment district within the NHLD.

According to this document found on the website of Harris Shelton Hanover Walsh, PLLC from April of this year regarding the District's being placed into receivership, the District is in fact owned by the City of Memphis. See the third paragraph which reads in part "...by John Candy, attorney for the

Beale Street Development Corporation, another party in the lawsuit and the

middleman between the city of Memphis, which owns the district, and Performa, which manages the district." (emphasis added is mine)

Now, I have all of about five minutes invested in this research and I am neither an attorney nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but I would submit that the City of Memphis itself is the ultimate owner of Beale Street and as such is the one that would ultimately deal with any civil issues regarding what may be legal or not in the district.

[E4 No More]

I would say that it's like the Westport area of Kansas City, MO. Westport is an extremely old area of town, and many years ago I worked security in that area. It contained 16 bars in a three block radius. It had a Westport Association that had a corporate office, and they are who actually employed the security. It was made up of the owners of all the businesses in the area. But the streets were still public property.