My Incident at Molly's Restaraunt in Midtown Memphis Last Night

[Guest donfromtexas]

Now now ladies and gentlemen, let Mr. inSane have his 5 minutes, we are all entitled to a brain fart every now and then.

I personally am waiting for the requested statistics on law-abiding citizens going "Billy the Kid" in public places and restaurants. Actually I would like to see ANY statistics on handgun carry permit holders using their right in an inappropriate way.

Please come back and provide those stats Mr. inSane, I look forward you your reply soon (there should be thousands of examples readily available in this degenerate society of 2nd Amendment-STRECHERS to prove your point).

Welcome to the board btw

[rg65]

.... I DO own a gun. I simply think that allowing every Billy the Kid to carry his/her weapon IN A RESTAURANT is another sign of social disintegration masked in 'self-defense'.

What this about the "social disintegration" of our society? I see no posts from you mentioning the source of this problem..........

It's this simple:

If the THUGS and CRIMINALS did not exist, we would have no reason to go armed! Why don't you work on getting them to stop what they are doing!

It's now us against them.

[Motasyco]

Sorry Mr Sane. A glue gun doesn't count. Nor a caulk gun or a soldering gun.

[Guest kdpate]

Sorry Mr Sane. A glue gun doesn't count. Nor a caulk gun or a soldering gun.

He probably has a water gun from the Dollar Tree....

[LagerHead]

Oh, I'm back. Troll, is that what I am considered in your 'club'? 1) I do own a gun and it is kept AT HOME-WHERE IT BELONGS. You better believe that I am going to defend my home with lethal force, yet I REFUSE to contribute to the decline in basic societal advancement which you people have no problem engaging in. Does this reactionary behavior make you feel proud or, worse, reasonable? As a side note, I have never been the victim of a violent crime. Perhaps my time is going to come, which I am sure that all of you will make me aware of, but I have found that common sense has served me well. As a lifelong Memphian, it sickens me that MY city gets such a bad rap, when the employment of a little prudence and levelheadedness can carry one safely through life. 2) I bartend and wait on thousands of customers a month. I probably have a serious problem with 1 or 2 A YEAR. If there is one thing that I can do, it is seek and find a position of compromise with almost any customer, no matter how rude, inconsiderate, or demanding they may be. The establishment that I work at has about 20 serious incidents a year (if that many), but when a customer goes to the 'red zone', believe me, it makes a lasting impression. So no, the problem isn't me. 3) Do any of you, besides feeding your patronizing, father-knows-best propaganda to me, have the courage to answer my initial question? I will repeat it for you. What has our society come to? I will expound upon it a bit further. Just how is your own brash, cavalier, and, quite frankly, somewhat paranoid reactionism contributing to the betterment of OUR world? If the type of thinking which all of you demonstrate on this page continues to invade and pervert sanity, children are off of my list of 'things-that-I would-love-to-do-in-the-future'.

Seeing as how you guys are so fond of quotes, here's one for you:

"We recoil in horror and search for explanations, but we never face up to the obvious preventive measure: a ban on the HANDY killing machines that make crimes so easy."

Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center

Mr. Sane, I hate to be the first to break it to you, but all the name calling in the world doesn't make that diatribe anything close to an argument. And even though I know it will go in one ear and out the other completely unobstructed, let me respond to you.

First, let me answer your question, "Just how is your own brash, cavalier, and, quite frankly, somewhat paranoid reactionism contributing to the betterment of OUR world?" Well, for starters, (completely ignoring the juvenile name calling you insist on inserting) everywhere that has lifted restrictions on the Constitutional right to carry firearms in public, crime has decreased. I think that contributes to a betterment of society. But apparently you don't. And places that have placed more restrictions on guns have seen crime rates soar. Ever heard of Washington D.C.? AKA the murder capital of the United States? Guns were completely banned there and the murder rate soared. Yet right across the river in Virginia, the murder rate was a fraction of D.C.'s. But let me not bother you with meddlesome "facts."

"If the type of thinking which all of you demonstrate on this page continues to invade and pervert sanity, children are off of my list of 'things-that-I would-love-to-do-in-the-future'."

That's probably for the best. You're obviously not well adjusted and your kids probably wouldn't be either. The world has enough insanity in it without breeding more. Thank you for your gift to society by not procreating.

I know I'm taking your...ahem....points out of order, but I'm silly like that. "Does this reactionary behavior make you feel proud or, worse, reasonable?" Well, first, you need to look up the word "reactive" and then compare that to the definition of "proactive." I prefer a proactive measure, i.e. taking steps in advance of something happening to lessen the chances, or the consequences of that action. Second, as far as being "reasonable" you might want to take a look in the mirror. Nothing you say has any basis in fact, just your extreme left-wing liberal talking points regurgitated again and again by so many ineffective anti-gun lobbyists. "Reason" has no place in the arguments of the Brady Campaign, the Freedom State's Alliance, or your beloved Violence Policy Center. All of them use nothing but scare tactics and lies in their campaigns to disarm America totally. So many of their facts are so easily disputed, that often the very day they release a study, flaws are found in them. How sad is it that their position is so incredibly weak that they have to completely fudge numbers and lie to get it across? Pretty damn sad, if you ask me.

Finally, great job quoting the VPC. Nothing screams "reasoned debate" like quoting a far left organization of lying loons.

But I won't leave you empty handed. I would like to invite you to actually educate yourself on gun control and then come back any time you see fit and see if you have anything to add other than the swill you have so far spewed. Please take the time to paruse the following publication.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/5.1/gun-facts-5.1-screen.pdf

It addresses most of the common myths vomited daily by those fine organizations I listed earlier. After you have read it, please feel free to come back and make an actual argument. One that can be back up with facts. And if you would like to actually discuss the issue, we're all ears. But if you just want to continue hurling your insults, well then...I guess I better keep it civil. But suffice it to say that I have a less than polite response for you.

I thought it was fairly clear that the quote was intended to demonstrate my opposition to these carry laws, hence the emphasis on the word handy. I DO own a gun. I simply think that allowing every Billy the Kid to carry his/her weapon IN A RESTAURANT is another sign of social disintegration masked in 'self-defense'.

"Masked in self defense"? Seriously? Again, educate yourself before you embarrass yourself (any further). There are approximately 1.5 million defensive uses of guns every year. How is that "masked in self defense"? And yes, many of them happen in ....gasp... restaurants! What you, and countless others, continue to ignore (I say ignore because you know it, you just choose not to acknowledge it) is that it is STILL illegal to drink while carrying in Tennessee. The vast majority of HCP holders here abide by that law to the letter. And while they do, thugs and scum will continue to carry in your restaurant. And they will be the ONLY ones carrying there, since you apparently work somewhere that doesn't allow customers or employees to carry. I sure hope you're feeling safer knowing that.

Edited August 10, 2009 by LagerHead
Responding to other quote.

[Guest Rick O'Shay]

A new add to the gun-free list? Eat Gun Free In TN

I wonder if poor Robert's wife is the gray-haired lunatic mentioned in the OP?

Incidentally, take a look at how much action Wendi's Anti-gun website has been getting? Anybody else hear crickets?

EDIT:

Back on June 17th I posted the following response to one of her entries, it has yet to be approved/disapproved. It appears Wendi has lost interest in her own site.

Wendi,

I do not expect you to post this comment.

First of all, the fellow who accused the "Government of Wendi Thomas" of denying his 1A rights is a moron, no question.

Secondly, have I illegally carried a pistol in a restaurant? Yes I have and did not like doing so. There were times in the past where I was out with friends when the group decided to go to restaurant X, and not wanting to advertise to some of them I was carrying elected to go in with the pistol. This was before I discovered in-car gunsafes so this is no longer an issue for me. I was concerned about locking my pistol up in my car and gifting it to a random thug who decided to break my window.

I am not concerned with needing my pistol while dining in a Memphis restaurant, I am more concerned with needing it in the parking lot. You see, I elected to get my permit and carry when I was robbed in my driveway about a month after moving to Memphis. The realization that the hood in question had the decision whether I lived or died in his hands changed the way I looked at things forever. Before then I had maybe held a pistol once in my life, but since then have received a lot of training in its use. In the past six months my girlfriend and I were accosted by two different dangerously nutty street people, one in the parking lot of the Cupboard, and one outside of High Point Coffee, both on Union and in the middle of the day. I managed to diffuse both situations without violence or revealing that I was armed. My girlfriend was not comfortable with my carrying before these incidents, but now makes sure I am armed before we go anywhere in Memphis. She lives in Brighton and is disturbed by Memphis now.

I know you are adamantly against HCP’s, and that is fine with me. The 2A does not say one must be armed, but it does say it is our right, and it is a right I exercise every single day living in Memphis.

On a side note, I must say that often your columns really irk me, and sometimes I agree with you at least somewhat; the Comical Appeal is definitely better off with you.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Rick O'Shay

[Guest mr. sane]

"Slightly contradictory, are we?"

I thought that it was obvious that I have no problem with gun ownership, and firmly agree that an armed populace is the only way to prevent dictatorial governments from stripping citizens of their rights. I DO have a problem with that populace strapping weaponry to their hip for a trip to Baskin-Robbins. Not only does such behavior demonstrate a social psychosis, masked in the name of rational behavior, but it is a blatant and extreme perversion of the Second Amendment.

Edited August 11, 2009 by mr. sane

[Guest mr. sane]

Wow-I believe what we have here is an impasse. Thankfully, I will never, ever agree with your far-right extremism. Much like Bush's decision to wage proactive warfare against Iraq which, shocker of all shockers, was based upon a mountain of lies, your 'proactive logic' is so outside of the bounds of considerate relations between fellow men and demonstrates, at its core, such utter hopelessness and resignation, that I cannot help but feel sorrow for you. I do not say that to be condescending, I mean it. By choosing to carry a gun to the park, or a restaurant, or the mall, or any other place that humans congregate, by choosing to strap a weapon to your hip, just what exactly are you telling YOURSELF? Sure, I sound idealistic, perhaps to the point of naivete, but I have developed an optimism about my fellow man and the potential to expand interpersonal relations that, while constantly tested, I remain very proud of. I seriously considered attaining a carry permit a couple of months ago, but something was holding me back. I now know what that is - I simply refuse to submit to the fear and dread that you have accepted.

Edited August 11, 2009 by mr. sane

[Mr. Brooks]

[Guest mr. sane]

BTW-Good luck to all of you. May our city-and our world-progress beyond violence and towards discourse.

[G27]

Wow-I believe what we have here is an impasse. Thankfully, I will never, ever agree with your far-right extremism.

Far-right extremism? You think everyone who chooses to exercise their constitutional right is a far-right extremist?

I, for one, am not. One of the most liberal people in the world happens to be my best friend, and he carries everywhere as well. Neither of us liked Bush.

Regardless, the level of prejudice you display is the perfect example of the emotional, knee-jerk reactions we see from those who wish to curtail our rights simply because something doesn't 'seem right'.

The world's an ugly place at times, so I'm going to be prepared for the admittedly slight chance that I need my firearm at some point to defend myself or my family.

I pray you never find yourself wishing you had thought less emotionally or idealistically about this as you and/or your family is being attacked.

[Guest canynracer]

Oh, I'm back. Troll, is that what I am considered in your 'club'?

Yes...BTW, try paragraphs. if not it gives the impression of babble

Seeing as how you guys are so fond of quotes, here's one for you:

"We recoil in horror and search for explanations, but we never face up to the obvious preventive measure: a ban on the HANDY killing machines that make crimes so easy."

Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center

And here is a few for you:

This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! -Adolph Hitler

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." - Adolf Hitler

And, just for the personal defense part...

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." - Ted Nugent (quoting Ted as a viable source is about as asinine as quoting the Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center)

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin

The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes....Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. - Thomas Jefferson

Edited August 11, 2009 by canynracer

[323ssplt]

Ok I've watched this thread and held my tongue long enough.

First, to mr. sane. I would like to know what bar you work at? Must be a pretty safe one. Sounds like a place I could have a beer or two and not worry about anything.

Secondly mr. sane sounds like the typical disenfranchised youth that is being produced by our fine higher establishments of learning. They learn how to use great phrases and rhetoric to attempt to convey and validate their point. Yet underneath it all, its still just babble.

A quote for mr. sane by the legendary Slim Pickens in the immortal classic "Blazing Saddles" "You sure do know how to use your mouth prettier than a ten dollar whore"

Lastly, my observation about people like mr. sane. They are the ones who don't bother familiarizing themselves with such simple tasks as changing a flat tire on their car, because they "know" all they have to do is call AAA and they will come to the rescue.

Ignorance is Bliss, mr. sane. That's what's wrong with society.

Edited August 11, 2009 by 323ssplt

[Guest canynracer]

Werd!!!

[Guest kdpate]

Everytime mr. sane opens his mouth, why does this thread smell like a septic tank truck?????:poop:

[macville]

When you tell me to stop exercising my 2d amendment rights, I am going to tell you to stop exercising your 1st amendment rights. So shut up.

Matthew

[Guest GT_Rat]

Wow-I believe what we have here is an impasse. Thankfully, I will never, ever agree with your far-right extremism. Much like Bush's decision to wage proactive warfare against Iraq which, shocker of all shockers, was based upon a mountain of lies, your 'proactive logic' is so outside of the bounds of considerate relations between fellow men and demonstrates, at its core, such utter hopelessness and resignation, that I cannot help but feel sorrow for you. I do not say that to be condescending, I mean it. By choosing to carry a gun to the park, or a restaurant, or the mall, or any other place that humans congregate, by choosing to strap a weapon to your hip, just what exactly are you telling YOURSELF? Sure, I sound idealistic, perhaps to the point of naivete, but I have developed an optimism about my fellow man and the potential to expand interpersonal relations that, while constantly tested, I remain very proud of. I seriously considered attaining a carry permit a couple of months ago, but something was holding me back. I now know what that is - I simply refuse to submit to the fear and dread that you have accepted.

"Far right extremism"? I think the fact that even with a majority in both the House and Senate that Dem's can't get any significant support for further gun control initiatives even among their own party should tell you how "far right" we are.

You ask what I'm saying to myself when I "strap a weapon to my hip" like I'm some old west gunslinger, which says a lot about where you are having your opinions fed to you by the way. I carry concealed and when I "strap a weapon to my hip" I'm saying that I recognize there are people out there who choose not to live peacefully within our civilized society. I'm saying I recognize that there are people out there who will kill my children, my wife, and myself for the pocket change I have on me or my car. I'm saying that I recognize there are people out there who will kill my family simply for the fun of doing so. When you do not "strap a weapon to your hip" you are saying you are happy to be a victim, you are happy to watch your family die, you have no problem being defenseless in the face of predation. I am saying to myself that I am not going to be a victim and I am not going down without a fight.

Am I afraid of my kids being murdered? Of my wife being raped? Hell yes! And I'm going to make sure that if presented with that situation either the assailants or I will be dead before that happens. Have I succumbed to that fear? Or have I simply prepared myself for that eventuality. You can argue the semantics of that all day but in the end what I have not chosen to do is blithely ignore that possibility, believing that doing so will make it go away. In the face of a murderer closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and going "lalalalalalaala" until he goes away will not save your life or those of your loved ones (assuming you have any). Having a weapon strapped to your hip might.

[Volphin]

Just found this thread. I think the new poster is sadly misinformed. I pray that he does not find himself a victim of crime (as I do all of us Americans.)

Further, he seems to be an educated person, albeit incorrect as far as his assumptions regarding firearms and self-defense (er, "defence" for our Canadian friends).

I would encourage him to read, study and look at the facts regarding HCP and violent crime. Remember young man, college is about being able to research and form a hypothesis based on established fact and stats. Don't let someone else tell you what to think. Investigate it as you did in school. Remember those research papers? You got a zero for not footnoting or citing fact sources. There was a reason for that.

Name calling does nothing for arguments and is typically used by those with weak positions.

You sound somewhat liberal. That's ok. I'm not, but some here are as well. I might suggest that some of the pillars of liberalism are the ability to keep an open mind, and the embracing of multiculturalism. Not just as it applies to race or gender, but to those of differing opinions and social substrata. The HCP and self defense community is a large segment of society based on traditional American values of protecting the "little guy" (or defenseless), home and property. We also laud hard work and fair play. And those values are something most Americans tend to admire.

So given this stance, most of the HCP and self-defense community will find thuggery an affront to their core values and take measures to prevent it from happening to them and their loved ones at home and in public. The State of TN has recognized this fact and enacted legislation accordingly.

So, if you wish to take up this challenge, let us know what you find in your research.

And by the way, I'm still curious as to what kind of firearm you own. If it hasn't been out in a while, it may be time to clean it.

[Guest Isaac]

You know, I think it's funny how everyone screams that this is an evil far-right extremist thing, when...

HB962, sponsored by State Representative Curry Todd (R-95) in the House and State Senator Doug Jackson (D-25) in the Senate, would enable a person who has a valid Right-to-Carry permit to carry a firearm into restaurants where alcohol may be served, as long as the permit holder is not consuming alcohol or is not otherwise prohibited by posting provisions.

the freaking bill was sponsored in the Senate by a Democrat (who gained a ton of respect from me by doing so)! I wasn't aware the Democratic party accepted "right-wing extremists".

Oh, and mr sane, blind optimism and living with the delusion that there is no danger of anything happening to you in an environment where there is evidence to the contrary is not good evidence of mental stability.

Wanting to live in a world where there is no need for self protection is understandable. Allowing that desire to overwhelm logic to the extent that you just ignore what is really going on around you to make yourself feel good about your fellow man is not healthy.

[LagerHead]

You know, I think it's funny how everyone screams that this is an evil far-right extremist thing, when...

the freaking bill was sponsored in the Senate by a Democrat (who gained a ton of respect from me by doing so)! I wasn't aware the Democratic party accepted "right-wing extremists".

Oh, and mr sane, blind optimism and living with the delusion that there is no danger of anything happening to you in an environment where there is evidence to the contrary is not good evidence of mental stability.

Wanting to live in a world where there is no need for self protection is understandable. Allowing that desire to overwhelm logic to the extent that you just ignore what is really going on around you to make yourself feel good about your fellow man is not healthy.

Isaac, Isaac, Isaac. Puhlease. He already made it clear that his charming personality will save him in the event that he is erroneously attacked. Once he wields his mighty lib card (that's liberal, not library) the crack addict will recognize him as friend and move on to more conservative target. Of course that will likely be to his detriment, since we far-right extremists are all carrying Gatling guns on the side of our hip. That's the strong side. The weak side is for all the grenades and rocket launchers. <---There's not enough of those on this planet to sum it up.

[Guest Isaac]

Isaac, Isaac, Isaac. Puhlease. He already made it clear that his charming personality will save him in the event that he is erroneously attacked. Once he wields his mighty lib card (that's liberal, not library) the crack addict will recognize him as friend and move on to more conservative target. Of course that will likely be to his detriment, since we far-right extremists are all carrying Gatling guns on the side of our hip. That's the strong side. The weak side is for all the grenades and rocket launchers. <---There's not enough of those on this planet to sum it up.

LOL, you just about made me spit Mtn Dew all over my desk!

[LagerHead]

LOL, you just about made me spit Mtn Dew all over my desk!

Serves you right. That's obviously a racist drink.

[Guest SUNTZU]

If the type of thinking which all of you demonstrate on this page continues to invade and pervert sanity, children are off of my list of 'things-that-I would-love-to-do-in-the-future'.

I think you had too much soy in your latte when you typed this. Apparently your version of sanity is against the law.

[Guest Isaac]

Serves you right. That's obviously a racist drink.

I'm not racist, I swear one of my best friends is a Dr Pepper!

[Guest Rick O'Shay]

There might be help for Mr. Sane believe it or not.

Once upon a time I was very much like him. Back during the run up to Desert Storm I has a bumper sticker that read "War Is Not An Energy Policy", and I was in the Navy at the time! I definitely had liberal tendencies in those days which got worse after I got out and lived in Seattle for a few years. Life experiences, and the ability to think clearly eventually lead me to realize what frauds the Liberals are, and how their vaunted "feel good" policies were always followed by the Law of Unintended Consequences.

I too spent some years slinging booze in a variety of establishments running the gamut of the socio-economic spectrum, and actually that is what indirectly caused me to decide to arm myself. Going to my g/f's house, who was also "in the biz", late at night after a shift I was confronted with one of the dregs of society pointing a gun in my face, in my g/f's driveway. The unique experience of knowing that my continuing to live was totally in the hands of a crackhead, and there was not a damned thing I could do about it changed me. Fortunately I survived. Since that day my eyes have been wide open.

Hopefully Mr. Sane will not be shorn of his wool the hard way, and will come to realize that the world, especially Memphis, is a dangerous place in time.

Yes, Mr. Sane appears to be the typical haughty libtard who knows what is best for us and society, but there may be hope for the lad yet.

BTW: My suspicion is that Mr. Sane either works at Molly's, or has some other connection to the place. I believe he found this thread by doing a search for Molly's for some other reason, otherwise why would he be posting only in this particular thread all of a sudden?

EDIT:

And by the way, I have since realized that yes, war IS an energy policy! I can't think of a much better reason to go to war than to safeguard the nation's access to a limited resource that just happens to be the lifeblood of our economy, and enables our population to be fed.

Edited August 11, 2009 by Rick O'Shay