Credit Card Bill Forces Dems to Take Vote on Gun Rights

[Mike.357]

so if the Big O signs this law Friday when does the law become effective?

(Sorry if this is posted already and I missed it)

[Fallguy]

so if the Big O signs this law Friday when does the law become effective?

(Sorry if this is posted already and I missed it)

Got me on that one...

[Fallguy]

WOW......a little wind was just taken out of my sail.....

If I am reading this right, Sec 403 says it is not effective untill 15 months after the date it is enacted.

SEC. 403. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This title and the amendments made by this title shall become effective 15 months after the date of enactment of this Act.

This will give states that wish to pass laws to prohibit or restrict carry in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges, plenty of time to do so before it goes in to effect.

Edited May 21, 2009 by Fallguy

[Oh Shoot]

WOW......a little wind was just taken out of my sail.....

If I am reading this right, Sec 403 says it is not effective untill 15 months after the date it is enacted.

This will give states that wish to pass laws to prohibit or restrict carry in National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges, plenty of time to do so before it goes in to effect.

Link didn't work...blank.

I know the credit card part was indeed over a year, heard commentary on that, so guess the park carry is too?

- OS

[GLOCKMEISTER]

thats sucks... but hey... better then anything I ever thought we'd get out of this administration.

[Fallguy]

Link didn't work...blank.

I know the credit card part was indeed over a year, heard commentary on that, so guess the park carry is too?

- OS

Yeah...not sure why the links aren't working..

Can start here THOMAS (Library of Congress) then > Bills, Resolutions (left column) > Search Bill Text > Browse by Bill Number > (Under House Bills) 601-700 > Scroll down to 619 and click H.R.632.ENR > (Sec 403 for Effective Date) or (Sec 512 for the part about National Parks and Wildlife Refuges)

But guess 15 months is the countdown on this one....

thats sucks... but hey... better then anything I ever thought we'd get out of this administration.

True enough..

Edited May 22, 2009 by Fallguy

[Oh Shoot]

thats sucks... but hey... better then anything I ever thought we'd get out of this administration.

I don't get why the DOI didn't appeal the injunction in the first place; same bureaucracy that went to all the trouble to instigate the rule must still be in place pretty much.

Reckon O put the pressure on them not to do it?

- OS

[Mike.357]

like they say, concealed is concealed

[G27]

like they say, concealed is concealed

[Oh Shoot]

Well, let's see, by Federal law, maybe in 15 months we can carry in National Parks and National Wildife Refuge Areas...

But still not National Forests, eh?

- OS

[Wingshooter]

wow... the rollercoaster thread. I just found out about this bill a few minutes ago when I started reading this thread. It was like a good book with a bad ending :-\

15 months!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Fallguy]

Well, let's see, by Federal law, maybe in 15 months we can carry in National Parks and National Wildife Refuge Areas...

But still not National Forests, eh?

- OS

Well carry in National Forrest is up to each state the way I understand it, I always here that TN has a law against carry in National Forrest, but I've not seen anything that specifically says that.

[Oh Shoot]

Well carry in National Forrest is up to each state the way I understand it, I always here that TN has a law against carry in National Forrest, but I've not seen anything that specifically says that.

State rule of National Forests?

I never heard THAT.

National Parks = US Dept of Interior

National Wildlife Refuges = US Fish and Wildlife Service

National Forests = US Forest Service

I thought the state only controlled state parks and state Wildlife Management Areas.

Who the frig knows anymore.

- OS

[Guest SUNTZU]

All your base are belong to us. This stays confusing to me. I thought the National Forests were under the US Forest Service, as well, though. Its a lovely delaying tactic they played, though, especially if it takes fifteen months!

[whiskey]

National Forests almost always follow state hunting laws. Almost all states have some animal in season year round. Here in TN you can hunt coyote with a pistol. Just wear your camo t-shirt and carry a varmint call and OPEN carry.

[Oh Shoot]

National Forests almost always follow state hunting laws. ...

Which only allows you certain handguns you can carry due to barrel length, yes?

And you must have a hunting license with something in season to hunt, yes?

- OS

Edited May 21, 2009 by OhShoot

[Fallguy]

State rule of National Forests?

I never heard THAT.

- OS

Mainly going by what I have read on Handgunlaw.us

See Question 6 on this page.

[Oh Shoot]

Mainly going by what I have read on Handgunlaw.us

See Question 6 on this page.

Hmmm....

Well, then seems we might could have carried in a National Forest already...

it's all giving me a headache.

- OS

[Guest HexHead]

I don't get why the DOI didn't appeal the injunction in the first place; same bureaucracy that went to all the trouble to instigate the rule must still be in place pretty much.

Reckon O put the pressure on them not to do it?

- OS

The NRA was given standing to appeal it by the judge that put the injunction in place. I guess she figured the administration wouldn't bother.

[Guest HexHead]

Well, let's see, by Federal law, maybe in 15 months we can carry in National Parks and National Wildife Refuge Areas...

But still not National Forests, eh?

- OS

Why 15 months? The credit card portion of the bill goes into effect in 9 months.

[Fallguy]

Why 15 months? The credit card portion of the bill goes into effect in 9 months.

Hmmmm...I didn't see that, where was that at?

I was going by Sec 403 of the bill that says it and all of the amendments to it would go into effect 15 months after it is enacted.

[Fallguy]

Why 15 months? The credit card portion of the bill goes into effect in 9 months.

Oops...you're right...it now says 9 months instead of 15.

Guess it subject to change until POTUS acutally signs it.

[Oh Shoot]

Oops...you're right...it now says 9 months instead of 15.

Guess it subject to change until POTUS acutally signs it.

Odd. The version I read somewhere had shown 15 also.

- OS

[Fallguy]

Odd. The version I read somewhere had shown 15 also.

- OS

LOL...well I think I even saw 15 and 9 in the same document...so I no longer feel I need to comment on the effective date...lol

Hopefully it will be annonced by the NRA, NPS or someone on a Federal level.

[Mike.357]

This whole nine or fifteen month delay just tells me that this is all a bunch of BS anyway.

If congress wanted to help people with CC debt they would have wrote a law the fixed things today.

Same with carrying in national parks.

They want to say they are helping people, but they want to keep their hands in big bankings pockets.

Like I said it is a bunch of BS