New Attempt at National Park Carry

[Oh Shoot]

Short report on this on CNN this morning ...

It's actually attached to credit card reform bill right now ... I HATE how Congress does that kind of crap...

Anyway, gist is that it is likely to be separated from that, and whether it is or not, it's expected to pass, and O expected to sign it.

- OS

[Mike.357]

I don't understand this whole thing.

We were not allowed to carry in national parks, then very briefly we were allowed.

Then the libs got a judge to sign an injunction to stop the national park carry. Now the Democrats introduced legislation about credit cards and attached a deal to let us carry in national parks again? The CC will be seperated from the CCW but both will pass and the Big O will concur.

Do I have this right?

[Oh Shoot]

I don't understand this whole thing.

We were not allowed to carry in national parks, then very briefly we were allowed.

Then the libs got a judge to sign an injunction to stop the national park carry. Now the Democrats introduced legislation about credit cards and attached a deal to let us carry in national parks again? The CC will be seperated from the CCW but both will pass and the Big O will concur.

Do I have this right?

I think that's relatively accurate synopsis, yeah.

The bigger mystery to me is why in the frick didn't the Dept. of Interior appeal the federal injunction? After all, it was the DOI that went through the long process of changing the rule in the first place!

- OS

[BryanP]

Short report on this on CNN this morning ...

It's actually attached to credit card reform bill right now ... I HATE how Congress does that kind of crap...

- OS

Yeah. Everyone complains about attaching unrelated riders to bills until it's something they really want. Personally I think unrelated bills should not be grouped together for any reason.

[-boatman-]

Yeah. Everyone complains about attaching unrelated riders to bills until it's something they really want. Personally I think unrelated bills should not be grouped together for any reason.

I agree. I think we get more that we don't want or need by this. But in this case.............

[Guest RedDog]

I don't understand this whole thing.

We were not allowed to carry in national parks, then very briefly we were allowed.

Then the libs got a judge to sign an injunction to stop the national park carry. Now the Democrats introduced legislation about credit cards and attached a deal to let us carry in national parks again? The CC will be seperated from the CCW but both will pass and the Big O will concur.

Do I have this right?

close but not quite. The Democrats introduced the credit card bill but the Republicans added an amendment on carrying in national parks

[mcurrier]

It passed today.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/national-politics-legislation/21548-national-park-carry-passes.html

[steamnsteel]

Not sure if this is true or maybe should be in another section, but be wary in the GSMNP. Could be that some rangers watch this and other boards?

Copied from another site.

"Flat fly n,about 3 weeks ago on the Middle Prong of the Little river I was checked by 2 rangers,I had a daypack on and the 2 rangers rifled through my pack and they kept asking what kind of bait I was using.The reason they gave for looking in my pack was to see if I had any trout in there.I had a 4 inch Mora sheath knife on the hip belt of my pack and they kept asking if I had any more "weapons" on me.I told them I had a pocket knife,a Spyderco Caly 3 with a 3 inch blade.It was also called a weapon by the 2 rangers who had on little street shoes instead of boots on their feet.They had me lay the knife on the ground and sit down away from it while they continued to molest the contents of my pack.My rod was broken down and was leaning against a tree,when they finally left I went to get my rod and noticed the tip was lying on the ground.The next day I pulled the rod out to wipe it down and noticed the tip section was crushed.I do not know if I had stepped on it or they had,but my 20 year old Sage 4711LL was ruined.I took it in to LRO and Paula sent it to Sage to see if it could be repaired but they said they could not make a new tip and offered to send me a new rod for 125 dollars.I could not get the new rod without giving them the old one,too many memories in that rod so I turned the offer down Those two idiots turned a wonderful day into a day that will haunt me for years to come.I will never be searched by their ilk again"

[Falcon1]

I don't understand this whole thing.

We were not allowed to carry in national parks, then very briefly we were allowed.

Then the libs got a judge to sign an injunction to stop the national park carry. Now the Democrats introduced legislation about credit cards and attached a deal to let us carry in national parks again? The CC will be seperated from the CCW but both will pass and the Big O will concur.

Do I have this right? [emphasis added]

:P

But remember, NOT in Tennessee until the parks carry legislation passes that specifies "national parks."

[Fallguy]

But remember, NOT in Tennessee until the parks carry legislation passes that specifies "national parks."

Ummm...even if the current park carry bill in TN doesn't pass you would still be able to carry in a National Park in TN when/if the Federal law allows it. There is no state law in TN that prohibits carry in National Parks. The current parks bill in Nashville simply adds wording about National Parks to clarify it is legal.

[Guest nraforlife]

When the SHTF and people 'take to the hills' I wonder WTF the rangers are going to do abut all the weapons coming through?

[Falcon1]

Ummm...even if the current park carry bill in TN doesn't pass you would still be able to carry in a National Park in TN when/if the Federal law allows it. There is no state law in TN that prohibits carry in National Parks. The current parks bill in Nashville simply adds wording about National Parks to clarify it is legal.

My mistake...I was certain that there was a provision in TCA (not necessarily in Chapter 39) that did prevent it....

[Guest SUNTZU]

When the SHTF and people 'take to the hills' I wonder WTF the rangers are going to do abut all the weapons coming through?

I wonder what all the people who took to the hills will think when they are standing shoulder to shoulder in the woods as if they were in a Walmart the day before Christmas.

[Oh Shoot]

I wonder what all the people who took to the hills will think when they are standing shoulder to shoulder in the woods as if they were in a Walmart the day before Christmas.

Donner party ... table for twelve!

- OS

[Guest Phantom6]

My mistake...I was certain that there was a provision in TCA (not necessarily in Chapter 39) that did prevent it....

Whether there is or not, the state has absolutely no jurisdiction on Federal property. That's why it was such a laugh when the AG announced that he would prosicute anyone caught carrying a firearm in the Smokies when the Federal law was first changed prior to the injunction ordered up by the Obama administration.

[Fallguy]

Can't state and federal authorities have agreements between each other on enforcement of such things?

[Reservoir Dog]

Whether there is or not, the state has absolutely no jurisdiction on Federal property.

Not true, especially in the National Park System. National Parks are formed under one of three types of jurisdiction: exclusive, concurrent, or proprietary. Only under exclusive jurisdiction does the state have no authority to enforce state laws. Under concurrent and proprietary jurisdictions, state/local LE can enforce state laws within National Parks.

So, it all depends on what type of jurisdiction the park was formed under. I think (though I am not sure) that Great Smokey is exclusive jurisdiction, so state laws have no bearing. However, that is not the case with all National Parks.

[Falcon1]

Whether there is or not, the state has absolutely no jurisdiction on Federal property. That's why it was such a laugh when the AG announced that he would prosicute anyone caught carrying a firearm in the Smokies when the Federal law was first changed prior to the injunction ordered up by the Obama administration.

However, if the national law is written such a way that it states that state laws will apply (as this "credit-card" legislation does), then state law is indeed a factor.

[Fallguy]

However, if the national law is written such a way that it states that state laws will apply (as this "credit-card" legislation does), then state law is indeed a factor.

...and it is. It says as allowed per state law.