United Healthcare CEO Assassination

[eRay]

3 hours ago, peejman said:

If they directed their employees to conduct business in an honorable fashion with their customers' best interests in mind, they'd have nothing to fear, right?

That is exactly what I used to think. I have been having some health issues for the last 6 months. My doctor has been sending me to an IV clinic for 4 hours of IV's with a nurse checking on me every 30 minutes. I just got a bill last week. One week of IV treatment cost $63,000.00. United Healthcare negotiated my bill down to about $25,000.00 and paid it in full. My cost was $0. Now, who is trying to rip me off, United Healthcare or the medical provider.

[Kano]

United Healthcare CEO Assassination

 

[Snaveba]

I do think it is interesting that in the photo they have supposedly showing the shooters face, he is wearing a different jacket and backpack,similar, but different. I have not heard why they think that is the shooter, or what evidence connects the two photos together, but that does seem odd to me. 

[BigK]

2 hours ago, eRay said:

That is exactly what I used to think. I have been having some health issues for the last 6 months. My doctor has been sending me to an IV clinic for 4 hours of IV's with a nurse checking on me every 30 minutes. I just got a bill last week. One week of IV treatment cost $63,000.00. United Healthcare negotiated my bill down to about $25,000.00 and paid it in full. My cost was $0. Now, who is trying to rip me off, United Healthcare or the medical provider.

Providers say they inflate their prices to account for the payors negotiating down the price. Then they should explain why self-insured patients pay the highest price of all for services. It sounds to me like buying a new car from the stealership, only a fool pays sticker price instead of negotiating.

On an unrelated note: I work for a very close competitor of UHC. We had a virtual town hall meeting today and the CEO of our Fortune Top 20 company didn't speak. Her mouthpieces told us to avoid saying anything to defend our industry because it might make us a target of violence. In fact, they asked us to stay off social media altogether for the next week or so and that all communications will be scrutinized carefully by AI for the next few months. They offered counseling for anyone suffering from anxiety over our competitor's CEO's the murder. Then in the same breath they said don't worry, it's still perfectly safe to go into the NYC offices and all other sites. 

Edited December 7 by BigK

[peejman]

10 hours ago, eRay said:

That is exactly what I used to think. I have been having some health issues for the last 6 months. My doctor has been sending me to an IV clinic for 4 hours of IV's with a nurse checking on me every 30 minutes. I just got a bill last week. One week of IV treatment cost $63,000.00. United Healthcare negotiated my bill down to about $25,000.00 and paid it in full. My cost was $0. Now, who is trying to rip me off, United Healthcare or the medical provider.

My son has 4-6 IV infusion treatments every year. Those plus the associated scans run over $100k annually.  Each infusion is about $18k.  $15k of the $18k is the drug cost, which isn't anything new or fancy, it's been in use for 30 years. So who's really making the money?

 

[Erik88]

28 minutes ago, peejman said:

So who's really making the money?

 

Both. United Health Group had a net profit last quarter of $8.7B. Last year they paid investors $14.8B in dividends. They deny 1 out of 3 claims. 

[Links2k]

 

[Grayfox54]

Those people are so full of !  Why are they so focused on the gun? If you watch, the shooter uses a standard hand over rear of slide to cycle the gun. The gun is obviously some type of standard 9mm with a suppressor.  Is there not one real gun expert available to them?  And what Veterinarian uses a 9mm? I guess they need to fill time with something since the cops can't find the shooter. 

Edited December 7 by Grayfox54

[gregintenn]

1 hour ago, Links2k said:

 

I don’t think so. Do you?

 

I expect you’d have more knowledge about modern stuff than I do, but I expect he used a modern 9 with a threaded barrel and can, and didn’t restoring it for subsonic ammo, therefore racking the slide after each shot to ensure he had a live round in the chamber for subsequent shots.

Edited December 7 by gregintenn

[Frog4aday]

And they wonder why people don't watch their network  or believe what they report anymore.

If they had a single gun guy or gal on staff watching the video, they could have pointed out definitively that it was NOT a veterinary gun used in the shooting. 

But I hope they never get a "firearms expert" on staff as their conjecture is amusing for the rest of us. How is CNN still a "news" network?

[deerslayer]

We obviously need common sense vet control laws.  

[TGO David]

Health insurers remove executive bios, images from websites after UnitedHealthcare CEO killing | Healthcare Dive

So... I get why they would do this, but it is an absolute exercise in futility because countless cached copies of those websites exist on the Internet.

Archives like Wayback Machine index websites on a regular basis and keep a snapshot of the site contents available.  These archives are pretty easy to use and are accessible to anyone and everyone.

As they say, the Internet has a long memory.

[Snaveba]

I need to see the footage again to see if it was one of these. You do have to rotate the bolt, pull it back, push the next round in and rotate the bolt to lock every time you fire. 

[Chucktshoes]

22 minutes ago, Snaveba said:

I need to see the footage again to see if it was one of these. You do have to rotate the bolt, pull it back, push the next round in and rotate the bolt to lock every time you fire. 

https://i.imgur.com/x9gNbsh.mp4

[Johnny Rotten]

reminds me of this, he's in the wind

 

 

[Garufa]

I find it hard to believe that someone who obviously planned this out carried a suppressed semi-automatic pistol that was “set up poorly” as Ian McCollum says.  The shooter obviously had a pistol of some type and a suppressor, did he not test it before?

Edited December 8 by Garufa

[Links2k]

7 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

Those people are so full of !  Why are they so focused on the gun? If you watch, the shooter uses a standard hand over rear of slide to cycle the gun. The gun is obviously some type of standard 9mm with a suppressor.  Is there not one real gun expert available to them?  And what Veterinarian uses a 9mm? I guess they need to fill time with something since the cops can't find the shooter. 

 

6 hours ago, gregintenn said:

I don’t think so. Do you?

 

I expect you’d have more knowledge about modern stuff than I do, but I expect he used a modern 9 with a threaded barrel and can, and didn’t restoring it for subsonic ammo, therefore racking the slide after each shot to ensure he had a live round in the chamber for subsequent shots.

 

4 hours ago, Frog4aday said:

And they wonder why people don't watch their network  or believe what they report anymore.

If they had a single gun guy or gal on staff watching the video, they could have pointed out definitively that it was NOT a veterinary gun used in the shooting. 

But I hope they never get a "firearms expert" on staff as their conjecture is amusing for the rest of us. How is CNN still a "news" network?

For the record, I don’t watch CNN or any other news.  I read Reuters. I see this stuff when it crosses my Twitter or YouTube feeds.  Notice  at the top of the video it says  “may have used” this particular weapon. 

As this is a gun forum with many more knowledgeable gun owners than myself, I figured you all would know if their assumption was correct. 

[Snaveba]

40 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

https://i.imgur.com/x9gNbsh.mp4

Definitely not a Station6. There is more involved with chambering a round than he did. Also with at least the first shot, you can see the blowback gas escape from the top when the slide comes back. The station6 is a bolt action so there is blowback gas. 
 

I pro would have walked closer him to shoot. And probably would not have left the witness. 

[TGO David]

35 minutes ago, Snaveba said:

Definitely not a Station6. There is more involved with chambering a round than he did. Also with at least the first shot, you can see the blowback gas escape from the top when the slide comes back. The station6 is a bolt action so there is blowback gas. 
 

I pro would have walked closer him to shoot. And probably would not have left the witness. 

The assassin was not new to guns.  He cleared the malfunction smoothly, and did so what appears to be several times, while closing the gap and continuing to put rounds into the victim.

I work with my church safety team, and help lead range sessions, and I see people's own OODA loops get screwed up badly when we either intentionally introduce a malfunction or they suffer one out of sheer bad luck. 

If you don't practice malfunction drills, you don't look like this guy did.

 

[Snaveba]

Also, a Station6 is not cheap, but a VP9, because they are not made any more, are really expensive. I don’t know why they would assume he was using a $5000+ pistol. 

[Garufa]

2 hours ago, TGO David said:

The assassin was not new to guns.  He cleared the malfunction smoothly, and did so what appears to be several times, while closing the gap and continuing to put rounds into the victim.

I still question why he had the first malfunction that required subsequent clearings considering suppressor use is not exactly well known in murders.  The assassin planned this out.  Wouldn’t he have prepared for a smoother operating weapon?

[Johnny Rotten]

7 hours ago, Garufa said:

I still question why he had the first malfunction that required subsequent clearings considering suppressor use is not exactly well known in murders.  The assassin planned this out.  Wouldn’t he have prepared for a smoother operating weapon?

This station6 would have been a better hitman option 

 

 

[TGO David]

17 hours ago, Garufa said:

I still question why he had the first malfunction that required subsequent clearings considering suppressor use is not exactly well known in murders.  The assassin planned this out.  Wouldn’t he have prepared for a smoother operating weapon?

The video seems to show a Glock or similar running a suppressor minus a Nielsen device, which would cause the failure to cycle properly.

I would pose the idea that maybe the shooter planned it exactly as it happened, opting to run a cheap burner/disposable setup with the minimum needed to do the task at hand.  Glock with threaded barrel and an inexpensive suppressor minus the Nielsen device.

It would also explain why he didn't seem ruffled by the failure to cycle.  He may have practiced it and knew full well that the gun wasn't going to run smoothly and accepted that to keep things simple.

 

[deerslayer]

He seemed to struggle with the gun after maybe the third shot.  The fact that he left live ammo makes me suspect he had an unplanned malfunction.  Planned malfunctions or unplanned, it seems like a lousy plan either way.  

[Grayfox54]

Since the live ammo found was marked with "deny," "defend" and "depose", there's some speculation now that the rounds were dropped on purpose to spread the message.