Range Time

[pop pop]

Went out to my back yard and fired some practice rounds off this morning. Just purchased some of the Winchester 147 Gr + P Defense ammo, from SG Ammo, and wanted to make sure my Ruger Max 9 and my SW M P 9C 2.0 would fire them without any problems. The new ammo looks just like the Win PDX 1 147 Gr + P but has a little different design bullet in it. Both Pistols fires the PDX well, however better safe than sorry when it comes to changes in ammo in carry handguns.

Also took my old revolver and burned the 7 rounds in it also. That carry ammo was about 6 months old so time to replace it. I was 100% with all 3 handguns, in the hit thingie, on a 6" steel target at 7 yards. I always paint the target between magazines or cylinders of firing to make sure on hit ratio.  

Cost a lot of money, now a days, to fire off much S D ammo. Some of this (357 Mag) was over 1.00 per round. Old man can't stand much of that! 

Edited to add; My old hand is kinda aching, from all the 357 and 9 MM + P. Got a little sore during the firing. First time I have noticed that in a while. 

 

Edited September 21 by pop pop

[deerslayer]

6 hours ago, pop pop said:

Went out to my back yard and fired some practice rounds off this morning. Just purchased some of the Winchester 147 Gr + P Defense ammo, from SG Ammo, and wanted to make sure my Ruger Max 9 and my SW M P 9C 2.0 would fire them without any problems. The new ammo looks just like the Win PDX 1 147 Gr + P but has a little different design bullet in it. Both Pistols fires the PDX well, however better safe than sorry when it comes to changes in ammo in carry handguns.

Also took my old revolver and burned the 7 rounds in it also. That carry ammo was about 6 months old so time to replace it. I was 100% with all 3 handguns, in the hit thingie, on a 6" steel target at 7 yards. I always paint the target between magazines or cylinders of firing to make sure on hit ratio.  

Cost a lot of money, now a days, to fire off much S D ammo. Some of this (357 Mag) was over 1.00 per round. Old man can't stand much of that! 

Edited to add; My old hand is kinda aching, from all the 357 and 9 MM + P. Got a little sore during the firing. First time I have noticed that in a while. 

 

No lecturing here, but be careful shooting steel that close.  Be sure to wear eye protection.  

[Garufa]

27 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

No lecturing here, but be careful shooting steel that close.  Be sure to wear eye protection.  

And a cup.

[Pain103]

You replace your SD ammo after 6 months? We fire our duty ammo yearly but honestly, I probably have some mags of duty ammo that stay loaded for 2 to 3 years before I shoot it. 

[Defunct Ammo]

21 minutes ago, Pain103 said:

You replace your SD ammo after 6 months? We fire our duty ammo yearly but honestly, I probably have some mags of duty ammo that stay loaded for 2 to 3 years before I shoot it. 

I've been told 6 months by some, 1 year by others. Last change I did was in late April and the copper on my 124gr HST has darkened just a tad, but the steel casing is still as polished as a fresh box of HST's. I probably won't replace ammo late October/early November like what I was planning which is great for my pocketbook,

[Garufa]

I’ve got a little secret for y’all…ammo lasts for decades if not longer.  Doesn’t matter what it looks like on the outside unless it is obviously corroded.

[Defunct Ammo]

34 minutes ago, Garufa said:

I’ve got a little secret for y’all…ammo lasts for decades if not longer.  Doesn’t matter what it looks like on the outside unless it is obviously corroded.

That's what I was thinking too. It's not like an oil change on a car unless you've got bullet setback. But thanks for the clarification.

[pop pop]

Every 6 months is my choice. I like to get the practice and experience the feel, often, of the S D ammo recoil. Big difference in practice and S D ammo recoil, for sure + P ammo. Didn't notice the hand hurting thing before like I did this time.

I know my ammo is very protected in storage, but I clean and lube my guns often so don't want to take the chance of oil contamination. I have read where it takes oil over a year, but I take no chances.  I keep all my ammo, except for what is in my EDC's, in military ammo cans and they are stored inside one of my closets. My house is climate controlled so minimal chance of big climate swings. Keep the house at 74 summer and 72 winter. 

John Farnum put out a paper on purchasing ammo. He predicts a big ammo drought coming also. He says it will be a component problem on the horizon. Mentions 2 components that will be almost extinct for our civilian ammo supply. Also the Israeli and Russin/Ukraine wars are sucking up supplies. Said one of the major ammo company leaders told/warned him. Better lay in a good supply guys. 

Edited September 22 by pop pop

[Jpoc700]

Just a friendly reminder if you keep your firearm loaded, as you should their is a chance the bullet seat can change, while you chamber it over again and again.  New school of thought is those rounds should be used for range time in case they don't function properly.  I now do this but I have never had any issues.  Keep safe and your head on a swivel.

[pop pop]

My steel targets are hung with a slight (2 1/2") downward cant, meaning the splatter is focused downward into the ground just in front of the hanging steel. The splatter has whittled a 4 ft tall 2X4 half-into adjacent to, and downward beside the steel gong. All the steel is hanging on 14" long rubber straps which allows the steel to swing backwards when hit, which also directs the splatter downward. 

I once had a red oak back stop and I had a bullet come directly back to me and brought blood on my lower shin one time. I do realize what you are saying is totally true.   

We always wear eye protection anyways. Can't be too safe around guns and live ammo, Deerslayer. thanks for the tip.   

Edited September 22 by pop pop

[Defunct Ammo]

6 hours ago, pop pop said:

Every 6 months is my choice. I like to get the practice and experience the feel, often, of the S D ammo recoil. Big difference in practice and S D ammo recoil, for sure + P ammo. Didn't notice the hand hurting thing before like I did this time.

I know my ammo is very protected in storage, but I clean and lube my guns often so don't want to take the chance of oil contamination. I have read where it takes oil over a year, but I take no chances.  I keep all my ammo, except for what is in my EDC's, in military ammo cans and they are stored inside one of my closets. My house is climate controlled so minimal chance of big climate swings. Keep the house at 74 summer and 72 winter. 

John Farnum put out a paper on purchasing ammo. He predicts a big ammo drought coming also. He says it will be a component problem on the horizon. Mentions 2 components that will be almost extinct for our civilian ammo supply. Also the Israeli and Russin/Ukraine wars are sucking up supplies. Said one of the major ammo company leaders told/warned him. Better lay in a good supply guys. 

I'm starting to feel this now at my local Academy Sports. 12 gauge and 9mm is disappearing much faster than what's coming in. 

[pop pop]

I just ordered 500 more rounds of Winchester Defense 147 Gr + P bonded 9 MM ammo from SG ammo yesterday. I have plans of having plenty of my carry SD and Practice ammo on hand for my 2 EDC calibers.

Need another 1000 of 38 Spl practice and I should be good for this flavor, also another 250 rounds of SD ammo in 38Spl and 357 mag then be good on these ones. Hard to pay for but I am "biting the bulllet" so-to-speak. 

Farnum stated in his article most ammo can just about become extinct, from major suppliers, because of this shortage of components. 

You guys do what you want. Just saying I am not going to be caught with my paints down this time, like I was the last time. 

Edited September 22 by pop pop

[TennesseeCamper]

16 hours ago, Garufa said:

I’ve got a little secret for y’all…ammo lasts for decades if not longer.  Doesn’t matter what it looks like on the outside unless it is obviously corroded.

I am still occasionally shooting 5.56, 9mm and .22 that I have had for decades no issues at all.  Just keep it dry and stored at reasonable temperatures.