Election 2024

[CJDore]

The upcoming election is quickly approaching. One fact that I have a difficult time with is that most hunters do not vote. If you do not vote you better be happy with who is selected. The last 4 years should tell you that the democrats will do EVERYTHING in their power to infringe on our 2nd amendment rights. Whether that is outlawing assault weapons, limiting magazine sizes, or enacting universal registration. If you feel as strongly as I do about these issues.......Register and VOTE!!!!!!~!!

[Frog4aday]

Think of it this way - if the Democrats (anti-gunners) win, they will grant citizenship to the 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants they allowed in.

From that point onward, the Democrats will never lose a national election again. And the Supreme Court will get packed to flip it to a progressive/leftist majority once more and gun control will wash across the land like a tidal wave.

We will become just another Australia/ Canada/ Great Britain with no free speech & no check on Gov't overreach. The end.

Vote pro gun. It might be your last chance to use the ballot box to make a difference and save your country.

You don't have to "like" Trump to vote for him. You just have to like your freedoms & your country. Choose wisely. Vote wisely. God bless America. 

Edited August 29 by Frog4aday

[Defender]

15 hours ago, Frog4aday said:

Think of it this way - if the Democrats (anti-gunners) win, they will grant citizenship to the 10 to 20 million illegal immigrants they allowed in.

From that point onward, the Democrats will never lose a national election again. And the Supreme Court will get packed to flip it to a progressive/leftist majority once more and gun control will wash across the land like a tidal wave.

We will become just another Australia/ Canada/ Great Britain with no free speech & no check on Gov't overreach. The end.

Vote pro gun. It might be your last chance to use the ballot box to make a difference and save your country.

You don't have to "like" Trump to vote for him. You just have to like your freedoms & your country. Choose wisely. Vote wisely. God bless America. 

If you want to see a snapshot of us after a few more years of dem rule, follow Tommy Robinson or Katie Hobbs on X or wherever.  England is done!  I lived there for 7 years as a young adult, and while I thought it somewhat liberal then, now it’s crazy.

[FUJIMO]

1 hour ago, Defender said:

If you want to see a snapshot of us after a few more years of dem rule, follow Tommy Robinson or Katie Hobbs on X or wherever.  England is done!  I lived there for 7 years as a young adult, and while I thought it somewhat liberal then, now it’s crazy.

Its called the NWO for a reason

[MacGyver]

4 hours ago, Defender said:

If you want to see a snapshot of us after a few more years of dem rule, follow Tommy Robinson or Katie Hobbs on X or wherever.  England is done!  I lived there for 7 years as a young adult, and while I thought it somewhat liberal then, now it’s crazy.

I don't want to take away from any narratives - but y'all realize the UK has been under Conservative Party rule since 2010, right?

If memory serves, starting with W's friend David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and up until a couple of weeks ago Rishi Sunak - they're all conservatives.

edit to add: It's also probably worth noting how much the economy comes into play when you're talking about the UK.  Really, the UK can be divided into London and the rest of the country.  If you take London out of the mix - the per capita income in the UK is roughly on par with Mississippi's.

[Grayfox54]

I fear we may be too late. I've said many times that for at least the last 30 years or more our public schools have been pushing the liberal agenda hard. Just about everybody under 40 is a brainwashed liberal. Real Americans are fast becoming outnumbered. This election may be the tipping point. 

Vote and pray for America. 

[Erich]

1 hour ago, Grayfox54 said:

I fear we may be too late. I've said many times that for at least the last 30 years or more our public schools have been pushing the liberal agenda hard. Just about everybody under 40 is a brainwashed liberal. Real Americans are fast becoming outnumbered. This election may be the tipping point. 

Vote and pray for America. 

I hate the thought, but that first sentence is on point.

The quick adjustment in mainstream and social media platforms made with candidate shift, switching their narrative / opinion and it's resulting impact was immediately palpable. MSM And SM have been the driving engines for many years now. Most obvious since the events of 2019.

It's 24/7 and as long as you control the algorithms, you control the country.

[FUJIMO]

4 hours ago, MacGyver said:

I don't want to take away from any narratives - but y'all realize the UK has been under Conservative Party rule since 2010, right?

If memory serves, starting with W's friend David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and up until a couple of weeks ago Rishi Sunak - they're all conservatives.

edit to add: It's also probably worth noting how much the economy comes into play when you're talking about the UK.  Really, the UK can be divided into London and the rest of the country.  If you take London out of the mix - the per capita income in the UK is roughly on par with Mississippi's.

They (conservatives) lost 250+ seats this last go around and center-left Starmer is once again creating chatter about reversing Brexit and entering back into the EU. Most recently making friendly with Scholz. Lots of ppl across the water watching this election more so than years past.

[MacGyver]

17 minutes ago, FUJIMO said:

They (conservatives) lost 250+ seats this last go around and center-left Starmer is once again creating chatter about reversing Brexit and entering back into the EU. Most recently making friendly with Scholz. Lots of ppl across the water watching this election more so than years past.

It seems like Sunak really gambled and lost in this most recent round of elections.  

There’s a lot of buyers remorse on Brexit.

That said, I wonder if the EU would even consider having them rejoin at this point?  I honestly have no idea - but I kind of doubt it.

[btq96r]

12 hours ago, MacGyver said:

It seems like Sunak really gambled and lost in this most recent round of elections.  

The rotating clown show that ended with Sunak just made the UK Conservative party look spent, and the voters weren't rewarding perpetual failure.  It's crazy that a national government can have the same turnover and turmoil as our House of Representatives in the top leadership for all those years, but it works for them.

One interesting tidbit of the last election there, Nigel Farage is back.  He's a seated MP and head of the Reform party with its five MPs after this election.  That's a drop in the House of Commons, but Reform came in third with 14% of the overall vote, so they're not some fringe act the Conservatives and Labour can ignore.  Populism sways the UK enough to let a spark become a fire from time to time.

All that to say, I wish we had a viable third option over here that wasn't hostile to guns.  I'm not about to be lambasted into voting for Trump and I'm not doing the same for Kamala.  I'm desperate for a political home that isn't the better choice of you gotta be f'n kidding me.

 

[Jpoc700]

The genZ group is way different depending where they live and grow up.  I work with a bunch and they are mostly conservative, with an acceptance of others shall we say.  My 23 year old son is like that.  And talking to them they are all voting for the bad orange man, and like minded local politicians.  Most of us were taught don't talk politics well BS to that don't ever stop talking politics.  And please if they won't install term limits we have to stop voting the same people to the office if they can't move up move them out.  No more lifetime politicians.

[Father Goose]

Unfortunately, I don't trust any of them and the reasons should be pretty obvious. More than likely, I will be voting independent or writing in a name. "That's just throwing away your vote!" "Why not pick the lesser of two evils?" Because I can't in good conscience cast a vote for either of the "sides" that have shown themselves to be unfit to lead the people. Our government has been out of touch for quite some time and the amount of money and power it has accumulated isn't going to be surrendered for the good of the people. That "representation" is gone.

I'm not sure I believe the federal election matters anymore. Local and state have a much closer impact on day to day life and can make the difference when there is federal overreach (and - on the flip side - quite destructive if the wrong people get in). It's really hard not to be cynical and right now I can't see the country getting or keeping a good leader with wise counsel for very long. That type of leadership is exactly what we need to help correct and guide our course forward, but make no mistake it won't be one president alone that solves the issues we are facing.

The other part is that we the people need to be honest with ourselves about our part in this mess. Everything that we have allowed to happen because of the obsession with convenience, our selfishness, fear and apathy. We have allowed our lives to become so busy and narrowly-focused that we no longer look around to make sure our country hasn't gone adrift.

That being said, as a Christian, I know that God can and will flip evil action and intention for His good purpose (Christ has already won). I'm hoping and praying to be surprised this year for the better, or given "peace beyond understanding" and increased faith if He allows our country to fully enter the dark.

[Links2k]

1 hour ago, Father Goose said:

That being said, as a Christian, I know that God can and will flip evil action and intention for His good purpose (Christ has already won). I'm hoping and praying to be surprised this year for the better, or given "peace beyond understanding" and increased faith if He allows our country to fully enter the dark.

This liberal agrees!

[steveo50]

18 hours ago, Father Goose said:

Unfortunately, I don't trust any of them and the reasons should be pretty obvious. More than likely, I will be voting independent or writing in a name. "That's just throwing away your vote!" "Why not pick the lesser of two evils?" Because I can't in good conscience cast a vote for either of the "sides" that have shown themselves to be unfit to lead the people. Our government has been out of touch for quite some time and the amount of money and power it has accumulated isn't going to be surrendered for the good of the people. That "representation" is gone.

I'm not sure I believe the federal election matters anymore. Local and state have a much closer impact on day to day life and can make the difference when there is federal overreach (and - on the flip side - quite destructive if the wrong people get in). It's really hard not to be cynical and right now I can't see the country getting or keeping a good leader with wise counsel for very long. That type of leadership is exactly what we need to help correct and guide our course forward, but make no mistake it won't be one president alone that solves the issues we are facing.

The other part is that we the people need to be honest with ourselves about our part in this mess. Everything that we have allowed to happen because of the obsession with convenience, our selfishness, fear and apathy. We have allowed our lives to become so busy and narrowly-focused that we no longer look around to make sure our country hasn't gone adrift.

That being said, as a Christian, I know that God can and will flip evil action and intention for His good purpose (Christ has already won). I'm hoping and praying to be surprised this year for the better, or given "peace beyond understanding" and increased faith if He allows our country to fully enter the dark.

Well said. 

[AuEagle]

 

[JN01]

On 9/11/2024 at 12:57 PM, Father Goose said:

I'm not sure I believe the federal election matters anymore. Local and state have a much closer impact on day to day life and can make the difference when there is federal overreach (and - on the flip side - quite destructive if the wrong people get in). It's really hard not to be cynical and right now I can't see the country getting or keeping a good leader with wise counsel for very long. That type of leadership is exactly what we need to help correct and guide our course forward, but make no mistake it won't be one president alone that solves the issues we are facing.

 

The judicial picks made by the President can have a lasting impact for decades, so selection of the President does matter to some extent. 

[Defunct Ammo]

On 8/30/2024 at 11:55 AM, Grayfox54 said:

I fear we may be too late. I've said many times that for at least the last 30 years or more our public schools have been pushing the liberal agenda hard. Just about everybody under 40 is a brainwashed liberal. Real Americans are fast becoming outnumbered. This election may be the tipping point. 

Vote and pray for America. 

Yuri Bezmenov was right. And we should've listened to him sooner. 

[CJDore]

Back to TN politics and upcoming election......dates are fast approaching:

1) Must be registered to vote by 10/7....easy to do if you are not registered

2) Early Voting 10/16-10/31.....avoid long lines and vote early if you can

3) Absentee Request Deadline 10/29

[D B Cooper]

Fact or Fiction?

This veered into a UK discussion for a bit, going back to "gun owners don't vote", or "hunters don't vote". I've heard this mentioned from various places and I still find it hard to believe.

Can anyone provide a link to some data that backs up the "gun owners don't vote" narrative?

Maybe it's just because every gun owner I know votes that I find it hard to believe.

[Frog4aday]

Gun owners vote more often than non-gun owners. 

Read more here:

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/05/trumps-wrong-gun-owners-more-likely-to-vote/

Excerpt: “Since 1996, the gap between gun owners’ and nonowners’ reported vote is about 11 percent,” Joslyn wrote in his book, which covers federal elections up to 2016. “Turnout among gun owners has increased since 1972 and peaked in 2004 and 2008 at 79 percent. In contrast, turnout declined among nonowners from a high in 1972 of 70 percent to a low of 64 percent in 1996 and 2016.”

To me the issue is if ALL gun owners voted "pro-gun" at each election, we could make the difference in a lot of tight races. But overcoming apathy and the mindset of those that think voting doesn't matter is an uphill climb.

[m16ty]

On 9/11/2024 at 12:57 PM, Father Goose said:

Unfortunately, I don't trust any of them and the reasons should be pretty obvious. More than likely, I will be voting independent or writing in a name. "That's just throwing away your vote!" "Why not pick the lesser of two evils?" Because I can't in good conscience cast a vote for either of the "sides" that have shown themselves to be unfit to lead the people. Our government has been out of touch for quite some time and the amount of money and power it has accumulated isn't going to be surrendered for the good of the people. That "representation" is gone.

I'm not sure I believe the federal election matters anymore. Local and state have a much closer impact on day to day life and can make the difference when there is federal overreach (and - on the flip side - quite destructive if the wrong people get in). It's really hard not to be cynical and right now I can't see the country getting or keeping a good leader with wise counsel for very long. That type of leadership is exactly what we need to help correct and guide our course forward, but make no mistake it won't be one president alone that solves the issues we are facing.

The other part is that we the people need to be honest with ourselves about our part in this mess. Everything that we have allowed to happen because of the obsession with convenience, our selfishness, fear and apathy. We have allowed our lives to become so busy and narrowly-focused that we no longer look around to make sure our country hasn't gone adrift.

That being said, as a Christian, I know that God can and will flip evil action and intention for His good purpose (Christ has already won). I'm hoping and praying to be surprised this year for the better, or given "peace beyond understanding" and increased faith if He allows our country to fully enter the dark.

Trump isn't the establishment, and is wanting to get scale back government power and regulation, he's not the typical republican party. Unless Jesus himself is on the ballot, you'll always be voting for "the lesser of two evils".  

I will agree that more local elections do matter a whole lot, federal elections are also very important. Are you ready to loose your rights to at least the 1st, 2nd, and 5th amendments? That's what the Democrats are aiming for, and if they pack the court like they say they will be able to accomplish it. Not to mention turning this country into the 3rd world by uncontrolled immigration. That's what you get by "throwing you vote away". Now the argument could be made that we would be better off to go ahead and get it over with (civil war) to get this country back on track, but to think you can vote 3rd party or independent to "vote your conscience" and actually accomplish good is naive.

Yes, God is in control, and he can get this country back on track if he wishes, but he is also content to sit back and watch us destroy ourselves and give us exactly what we deserve. Just look in the Bible at what he did to his own chosen people, he allowed them to be destroyed as a nation.

[m16ty]

On 8/30/2024 at 12:26 PM, MacGyver said:

I don't want to take away from any narratives - but y'all realize the UK has been under Conservative Party rule since 2010, right?

If memory serves, starting with W's friend David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and up until a couple of weeks ago Rishi Sunak - they're all conservatives.

edit to add: It's also probably worth noting how much the economy comes into play when you're talking about the UK.  Really, the UK can be divided into London and the rest of the country.  If you take London out of the mix - the per capita income in the UK is roughly on par with Mississippi's.

It's a big difference in being a UK conservative and a US conservative. Most people that would be called a "conservative" in the UK would still be considered quite liberal here in the US.   

[CJDore]

I voted early on Saturday....Line was long but moved rather quickly. 30 mins total to wait in line and vote

[Frog4aday]

@CJDore

That's awesome! If all gun owners voted for the pro-gun candidate each election, we'd never lose our rights. Sadly, 20 to 30% of gun owners don't bother to vote - that's hurting us.

I went to vote on Weds but the line was looong! Going to try again this week when I have more time.

[Moped]

Voted the first day of early voting at the City County Bldg in Downtown Knoxville. Went before the lunch crowd. I was in and out in under 15 minutes.