Government to disarm America

[Guest smithandwesson]

Has anybody else heard the rumors that America will be disarmed by September 2009 and that the ammo shortage is being caused by the government because they know that eventually those who fight it will run out of ammo? They are supposedly buying most of the ammo straight from the factories and claiming its for law enforcement etc.... since they get priority over civilians. That way you wont be able to fight them off when they come to take your guns. I take everything I here with a grain of salt but was just wondering if anybody else had heard this one?

[G27]

Dude, seriously?

[Guest EasilyObsessed]

[Guest bkelm18]

WOW.... Do you have any idea how outlandishly impossible it would be to confiscate every single firearm over a 5 month period? Heck, it would take over 5 months just to get the FFLs to turn over their bound books and 4473s. As far as the ammo, I guarantee you that if the gov't was buying up all the ammo, someone, somewhere would have leaked it to the press.

[poak]

Dude, WHERE did you here this?

[Guest bkelm18]

I think he may be trying to START the rumor, not just pass it along.

[Mike.357]

they can have my guns, right after I give them the bewletts.

[lowbud]

Ya know... All these RUMORS is exactly why I can't feed one of the few things I enjoy.

STOP IT ALREADY

There's not a day that passes I don't get some crap email about what obama and company are going to take from me.

So my take on this is.. We voted them in.. We can vote them out. And if ya didn't vote.. YOU are part of the problem.

Nobody who has "OUR" best interest at heart ever runs for office anywhere. Why is that? It's becasue they all have their "OWN" interest at heart. not ours. Just the way it is and it's not going to change anytime soon.

Edited April 22, 2009 by lowbud

[poak]

Ze Germans!

[Guest Astra900]

[G27]

That's the best smiley ever.

[Reservoir Dog]

[Guest m&pc9]

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So my take on this is.. We voted them in.. We can vote them out. And if ya didn't vote.. YOU are part of the problem.

I did not vote him in.

[poak]

I did not vote him in.

We = USofA

[Guest m&pc9]

I did not vote for him, So I will not claim any responsibly.

[Guest JHatmaker]

Haha, that's great.

Back on topic:

I read an article in one of the gun rags about this same issue/rumor, and just like one of the posts above this, it would take forever (and be almost impossible) to "dis-arm" every handgun owner in America. If something does get banned, it'll be the AR's, and the Gov't won't come and get them, they'll just be banned.

[lowbud]

Haha, that's great.

Back on topic:

I read an article in one of the gun rags about this same issue/rumor, and just like one of the posts above this, it would take forever (and be almost impossible) to "dis-arm" every handgun owner in America. If something does get banned, it'll be the AR's, and the Gov't won't come and get them, they'll just be banned.

+1

Probably not within any of our lifetime

[lowbud]

We = USofA

Yeah.. That's it.

[Guest canynracer]

I read they are also buying all of the pancake mix as a plot to put IHOP out of business because they know its the rally point for the right wing extremists...they are evil, those sons a bitches, They may take my ammo, they may take my guns, but I will be DAMMED if they take my freaking pancakes!!!!

[Guest Biggun]

I have serious doubts about that date, but I think to completely blow-off the possibility of the government trying this in the future is a bit optimistic.

[Oh Shoot]

Has anybody else heard the rumors that America will be disarmed by September 2009 and that the ammo shortage is being caused by the government because they know that eventually those who fight it will run out of ammo? ...

Rumor?

Dood, it's TRUE.

I know because as of your post, I have now read it on the InterWebBlogNet thing.

- OS

[Guest Jcochran88]

Rumor?

Dood, it's TRUE.

I know because as of your post, I have now read it on the InterWebBlogNet thing.

- OS

We all know if it is on the internet then it must be true.

[PaiMei]

I think this guy has it right...

Supply Chain Management 101: on the ammunition shortage. | Ammunition, General gun stuff, Shooting industry | GRANT CUNNINGHAM

text from article:

Supply Chain Management 101: on the ammunition shortage.

Gunstores continue to be a never-ending source of hilarity. Walk into your local shooting emporium and ask why there is an ammo shortage, and you'll hear inane speculation coupled with a conspiracy theory or two. The reality is that the supply chain for ammunition is relatively inelastic, and and is easily overwhelmed by a sudden jump in sales.

As one industry consultant has told me, ammunition demand over the years has been remarkably predictable. Ammunition wholesalers know (within a certain margin of error) how many units of each caliber they'll sell in the coming year, and approve purchase orders for the delivery of that amount of product during that year.

Ammo makers, too, know with fair certainty how much they're going to sell to the wholesalers during that period, and sign contracts for the purchase of sufficient components to produce those products. They don't typically keep large stores of components on hand, as standing inventory is expensive, so components are delivered on a "just in time" basis.

The suppliers of those components do the same thing with raw materials; again, ammunition is a stable business, which allows them to forecast with pretty good accuracy the stuff they need to make the components they sell. This pattern repeats itself on up the chain, all the way to the people who mine the stuff necessary to make a single cartridge.

Along comes a huge, sudden spike in demand. Retailers all over the country are suddenly swamped with ammunition purchases, and quickly call their suppliers to get more. The first few calls are rewarded with replacement stock, but soon the wholesaler's shelves are bare too - their entire year allotment of ammunition is gone in just a few days.

The wholesaler calls the maker, and the same thing happens: all of the suppliers are doubling (or more) orders to get their dealers restocked, and the manufacturer is quickly stripped of on-hand components as he tries to fill those orders.

The dealers are out, the wholesalers are out, and now the manufacturers are out. But it gets worse.

The makers of the priming compound, primer cups, brass, powder, jacket material, and lead are suddenly swamped with desperate pleas for more product, and they in turn contact the suppliers of the raw materials for more. The entire chain of supply is empty, and everyone has to wait while all of the raw materials are gathered. (I shouldn't have to tell you that those folks have other contracts to fill before they can get to the rush orders - they're not just waiting around for next year's order from the ammo companies!)

That all sounds simple, but it just isn't. As an example, smokeless powder can contain a huge variety of raw materials:

Nitrocellulose, Nitroglycerin, Nitroguanidine, Dibutyl phthalate, Polyester adipate, Ethyl acetate, Diphenylamine, 2-Nitrodiphenylamine, 4-nitrodiphenylamine, N-nitrosodiphenylamine, N-methyl-p-nitroaniline, tin dioxide, bismuth trioxide, bismuth subcarbonate, bismuth nitrate, bismuth antimonide, Potassium nitrate, Potassium sulfate, Talc, Titanium dioxide, Graphite, and Calcium carbonate. Each of these has to be sourced from a supplier, ordered, received, then finally compounded into smokeless powder. Think that all happens overnight??

Once the raw materials are finally in hand, the work can start. Lead has to be formed into projectiles, copper into jackets, brass into casings; priming compound is made from lead azide and/or potassium perchlorate, then the mixture combined with metal cups to make primers; the aforementioned powder has to be made (a huge job in itself.)

Once those components are ready, they can be sent to the manufacturer, who puts together into a finished round, then packages them appropriately. (Oops - we forgot that boxes and trays that have to be made and printed, too!) They're then shipped to the wholesaler, who (finally!) can ship to the retailer.

This whole process takes time - lots of it. If demand is high enough (which it has been), even the emergency orders placed all the way to the producers of the raw products may not be sufficient, and shortages will continue. That's what we're seeing right now.

The supply chain is simply empty, all the way up to the people who mine the raw materials. It's going to take time to replace all the links in that chain, and it's not because of the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, The Joos, FEMA, the CIA, a secret agreement to implement gun control through ammo availability, or any other silly theory you may have heard. This is a textbook example of what happens when an inelastic supply chain, composed with scarce "just in time" inventories, meets insatiable demand. It's not sexy or intriguing, but that's the way it is.

You know what's scarier? Your food comes to you the same way. Imagine what would happen if...

[lowbud]

Just like the frenzy before the storm. The grocery store shelves are bare. Makes perfect sense!

[lowbud]

We all know if it is on the internet then it must be true.

Yeah, just like the email showing up in my inbox telling me I'm getting 10 million. Where's my money!!!