Crumbley Verdict

[Garufa]

6 minutes ago, Grayfox54 said:

No doubt they failed as parents. But holding someone responsible for the actions of another?

It’s not as simple as that.  It is holding parents responsible for the actions of their minor child.  Big difference.

[BigK]

Seems the parents were worse than most, but nowhere near as bad as some. I've seen zero evidence so far that these parents knew this kid was on the verge of a shooting spree and certainly didn't incite him to commit violence, so I have a hard time agreeing with 15 years.

[Garufa]

6 minutes ago, BigK said:

 have a hard time agreeing with 15 years.

The penalty is overly excessive considering what the average scumbag gets away with.

[OLDNEWBIE]

6 minutes ago, BigK said:

Seems the parents were worse than most, but nowhere near as bad as some. I've seen zero evidence so far that these parents knew this kid was on the verge of a shooting spree and certainly didn't incite him to commit violence, so I have a hard time agreeing with 15 years.

This is more about scaring parents away from passing on firearms use to their kids. One generation and no one will want to or know how to use a gun they are thinking.

[peejman]

49 minutes ago, OLDNEWBIE said:

Not so sure of timeline, did he actually ask/beg for mental health or just showed signs of a need?  Seems he deteriorated quickly though and the pic in the school warranted a backpack check at a minimum. School had some responsibility there too. Perhaps if I watched entire trial Id agree with you somewhat but it didn't seem so black and white from what I saw. Parents were definitely distracted and ignoring him alot but perhaps more often than not this is the case in the US. Again no lock up laws at the time, it wasn't stored in his room or kept with him. Perhaps they truely believed he was a reasonably good, sane kid with a few little problems who followed rules. The other thing that bothers me is the parents of gangbanger punks. Certainly this more often happens with these cases but just not in schools. Why these two parents now? Believe me, next is a gun owners stolen gun will get the owner jail time.

Lastly,I have to go there....your kid has anxiety meds, adhd, depression but begs you to drive. You make it happen, learner permit then he steals the keys one day and purposely runs down a bunch of kids.

Kids, people who do these awful crimes dont always broadcast their plans and sometimes hide their problems. The shooter scratched out the bad parts of the picture he drew for instance before the parents saw it at the school.

Sure, the DA decided to make an example of these people. It's a pretty egregious example of bad parenting. The conviction of both makes it pretty clear they knew their son had some problems but couldn't be bothered to act like parents. Their behavior toward each other is quite telling of how broken this situation was.  

Liability for the actions of your children is very different from the actions of strangers who've stolen property.  

[peejman]

3 minutes ago, OLDNEWBIE said:

This is more about scaring parents away from passing on firearms use to their kids. One generation and no one will want to or know how to use a gun they are thinking.

Or maybe they'll stop having kids they're too selfish to bother to parent.