school shooting in Nashville at the Covenant School

[Smith]

14 hours ago, Luckyforward said:

Below are the medication regimens for this disorder.  I am curious to see if the meds were in her system in terms of whether she was actually taking them.  So often folks refuse to take their medications and by law you cannot make them take them which leads to very quick mental declines.

Medications

In general, doctors prescribe medications for schizoaffective disorder to relieve psychotic symptoms, stabilize mood and treat depression. These medications may include:

• Antipsychotics. The only medication approved by the Food and Drug Administration specifically for the treatment of schizoaffective disorder is the antipsychotic drug paliperidone (Invega). However, doctors may prescribe other antipsychotic drugs to help manage psychotic symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations.
• Mood-stabilizing medications. When the schizoaffective disorder is bipolar type, mood stabilizers can help level out the mania highs and depression lows.
• Antidepressants. When depression is the underlying mood disorder, antidepressants can help manage feelings of sadness, hopelessness, or difficulty with sleep and concentration.

Mediations only work if there is a pre diagnosis natural imbalance. Introducing chemical altering/adjusting medication cause the natural process to stop producing its own chemical processes. Thus the reason giving these drugs during early development (ex ridilun, etc.) creates such large manic/depressive shifts later in life. 

It's been now proven that less than 10% of kids put on behavioral medications actually had/have natural chemical imbalance.

Point being, as far as medication goes, we are creating chemical/prescription dependent people. Mix that with existing mental disorders (not chemical imbalance induced) that have no chance. 

What I gleaned from the manifesto excerpts, is that a girl with issues found enablers that encouraged her to embrace dilusion. I can almost guarantee drugs were prescribed to mitigate her response to the mental conflict. That set her up to quietly boil till the lid popped. 

I'm continually grieved that we take borderline people and pressure cook them with medication instead of acknowledging the reality that there is absolute truth and bringing thought inline with the reality of that truth. Ironically, the cognitive behavioral approach is the only one that had proven to be effective and it is the last approach used. You can't prescribe it.

Off my soap box. They should have released the pain (manifesto, etc) early and let them move on. This isn't helpful.

Edited November 7, 2023 by Smith

[Omega]

Sounds like the left is not happy about this disclosure.

 

[Chucktshoes]

1 hour ago, Smith said:

Mediations only work if there is a pre diagnosis natural imbalance. Introducing chemical altering/adjusting medication cause the natural process to stop producing its own chemical processes. Thus the reason giving these drugs during early development (ex ridilun, etc.) creates such large manic/depressive shifts later in life. 

It's been now proven that less than 10% of kids put on behavioral medications actually had/have natural chemical imbalance.

Point being, as far as medication goes, we are creating chemical/prescription dependent people. Mix that with existing mental disorders (not chemical imbalance induced) that have no chance. 

 

I was one of those Ritalin kids from the early 80s. Caused a lot of issues later on in my life. 
 

If any school administrator suggests getting your kid put on ADHD meds, punch them right in the mouth. (Not joking in the slightest. They’ve earned it.) Then get your kid/grandkid out of that school. 

Edited November 7, 2023 by Chucktshoes

[deerslayer]

1 hour ago, Omega said:

Sounds like the left is not happy about this disclosure.

 

Imaaaaaagine that

[gregintenn]

11 hours ago, btq96r said:

Anyone gain something other than confirmation bias with the manifesto portions released?

Yes. We got a little glimpse into the mind of an evil, insane person. To cure this problem in the future, we need to learn what causes these events.

I’d like to learn more.

Edited November 7, 2023 by gregintenn

[Alleycat72]

They are trying awfully hard to keep it a secret. 

It makes me wonder if something was going on at that school everyone wants secret or the shooter doesn't follow the narrative some want. Could be a bit of both or neither. Reminds me of the Vagas shooting. "Something bad happened. We didn't have a clue why. Guns are bad. Look the other way. "

[Erik88]

3 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

I was one of those Ritalin kids from the early 80s. Caused a lot of issues later on in my life. 
 

If any school administrator suggests getting your kid put on ADHD meds, punch them right in the mouth. (Not joking in the slightest. They’ve earned it.) Then get your kid/grandkid out of that school. 

 

That's a bit of a blanket statement isn't it? Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. But I agree that diagnosis should come from a trained medical professional and not a school employee. 

My friend just got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and the medication is helping him. 

 

 

[NoBanStan]

Anyone else not read it besides me? I don't care what that moron thought. The shooters thoughts and opinions went out the door the moment they stepped foot into that school as far as I'm concerned. I want them lost to time. I don't even know their name and I don't care. If i wanted to read dog#### I would have looked at my dogs asshole.

[Alleycat72]

10 minutes ago, NoBanStan said:

Anyone else not read it besides me? I don't care what that moron thought. The shooters thoughts and opinions went out the door the moment they stepped foot into that school as far as I'm concerned. I want them lost to time. I don't even know their name and I don't care. If i wanted to read dog#### I would have looked at my dogs asshole.

Well,....we knew the life of Kyle Rittenhouse instantly.  It took a bit longer to find out about the scumbag child molester he shot. I'm not sure why the media thought a minor attracted person's privacy was more important, but I have an idea. 

 

[NoBanStan]

7 minutes ago, Alleycat72 said:

Well,....we knew the life of Kyle Rittenhouse instantly.  It took a bit longer to find out about the scumbag child molester he shot. I'm not sure why the media thought a minor attracted person's privacy was more important, but I have an idea. 

 

I agree on that

[Erik88]

1 hour ago, NoBanStan said:

Anyone else not read it besides me? I don't care what that moron thought. The shooters thoughts and opinions went out the door the moment they stepped foot into that school as far as I'm concerned. I want them lost to time. I don't even know their name and I don't care. If i wanted to read dog#### I would have looked at my dogs asshole.

 

I didn't even know the manifesto was released and I have zero interest in reading it. I'm not sure what anyone hoped to learn from it.

[Chucktshoes]

3 hours ago, Erik88 said:

 

That's a bit of a blanket statement isn't it? Just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. But I agree that diagnosis should come from a trained medical professional and not a school employee. 

My friend just got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and the medication is helping him. 

 

 

There’s a vast difference between diagnosing and treating and adult and a child. This is something the medical establishment seems to have forgotten and big pharma never cared about at all. 
 

I’ve got a lot of first hand experience and knowledge gained from looking into why certain things may have gone they way they have in my life. I am 100% comfortable standing by my prior statement.  

[NoBanStan]

15 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

 

I didn't even know the manifesto was released and I have zero interest in reading it. I'm not sure what anyone hoped to learn from it.

I don't fault anyone for reading it though. Most sane people are probably just looking for an answer. But, I doubt they'll find it. There IS no answer for what she did.

A sick soul looking for a sick ending. Well, she found it. At the end of a barrel.

[gregintenn]

55 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

 

I didn't even know the manifesto was released and I have zero interest in reading it. I'm not sure what anyone hoped to learn from it.

When I’m out in public looking over my shoulder. I’d like to have as good an idea as possible exactly what I’m looking for. Just like having fire extinguishers and a spare tire in the car, I like to be prepared as possible.

[Erik88]

16 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

When I’m out in public looking over my shoulder. I’d like to have as good an idea as possible exactly what I’m looking for. Just like having fire extinguishers and a spare tire in the car, I like to be prepared as possible.

Can you share anything you learned that will help? I'll take a summary since I didn't read it. 

 

[Links2k]

10 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

 

If any school administrator suggests getting your kid put on ADHD meds, punch them right in the mouth. (Not joking in the slightest. They’ve earned it.) Then get your kid/grandkid out of that school. 

I totally agree.
 

We wanted to kick some behind when the lazy public school teacher and principal advised putting my son on medication.  He was bored, so he was disruptive.  After getting my son enrolled in academic settings with more challenging curriculums, my son thrived and the disruptive behavior stopped. 

[gregintenn]

1 hour ago, Erik88 said:

Can you share anything you learned that will help? I'll take a summary since I didn't read it. 

 

With all due respect, you shouldn’t take my word as fact any more than what you see in the media. I’d prefer you see for yourself and have your own informed opinion.

 

There really isn’t much there beyond incoherent ramblings, but I did not know that until I saw it.

[gregintenn]

1 minute ago, Links2k said:

I totally agree.
 

We wanted to kick some behind when the lazy public school teacher and principal advised putting my son on medication.  He was bored, so he was disruptive.  After getting my son enrolled in academic settings with more challenging curriculums, my son thrived and the disruptive behavior stopped. 

This very thing happens all too often. “No child left behind.”

A kid has energy. Deal with it. You can’t get a puppy to sit still all day, why do you think a kid should. Especially when they are bored out of their skull.

[Chucktshoes]

30 minutes ago, Links2k said:

I totally agree.
 

We wanted to kick some behind when the lazy public school teacher and principal advised putting my son on medication.  He was bored, so he was disruptive.  After getting my son enrolled in academic settings with more challenging curriculums, my son thrived and the disruptive behavior stopped. 

 

27 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

This very thing happens all too often. “No child left behind.”

A kid has energy. Deal with it. You can’t get a puppy to sit still all day, why do you think a kid should. Especially when they are bored out of their skull.

The way we do school in the US is actively hostile to boys. The solution has been to attempt to paper over it with psychoactive drugs. It doesn’t work for the kids and it doesn’t work for society as a whole. 
 

This case has other factors involved, but I think the primary issue of giving folks drugs instead of getting them real help holds. 

[gregintenn]

22 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

 

The way we do school in the US is actively hostile to boys. The solution has been to attempt to paper over it with psychoactive drugs. It doesn’t work for the kids and it doesn’t work for society as a whole. 
 

This case has other factors involved, but I think the primary issue of giving folks drugs instead of getting them real help holds. 

Links2k posted an article a while back stating that the public school model was designed a century ago to prepare people for a life of factory work. Basically, sit down, shut up, and follow directions. That article had a lot of merit in my opinion. I am not in the education industry, and do not pretend to know the solution to this problem, but what we currently do isn’t working. Mind altering drugs damn sure isn’t the answer.

[RED333]

From what I got out of her ramblings she hated white people that had money. Sound like something I have heard in the past spewed out by the blm people.

[Omega]

36 minutes ago, RED333 said:

From what I got out of her ramblings she hated white people that had money. Sound like something I have heard in the past spewed out by the blm people.

I also learned that she felt that she could or should of been caught before the attack, and I for one would like to know how, and/or what she had done to merit that.

[No_0ne]

12 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

I was one of those Ritalin kids from the early 80s. Caused a lot of issues later on in my life. 
 

If any school administrator suggests getting your kid put on ADHD meds, punch them right in the mouth. (Not joking in the slightest. They’ve earned it.) Then get your kid/grandkid out of that school. 

 

5 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

There’s a vast difference between diagnosing and treating and adult and a child. This is something the medical establishment seems to have forgotten and big pharma never cared about at all. 
 

I’ve got a lot of first hand experience and knowledge gained from looking into why certain things may have gone they way they have in my life. I am 100% comfortable standing by my prior statement.  

 

2 hours ago, Links2k said:

I totally agree.
 

We wanted to kick some behind when the lazy public school teacher and principal advised putting my son on medication.  He was bored, so he was disruptive.  After getting my son enrolled in academic settings with more challenging curriculums, my son thrived and the disruptive behavior stopped. 

 

2 hours ago, gregintenn said:

This very thing happens all too often. “No child left behind.”

A kid has energy. Deal with it. You can’t get a puppy to sit still all day, why do you think a kid should. Especially when they are bored out of their skull.

I spent more than 30 years teaching in public schools.  When I wasn't busy indoctrinating kids in left-wing, communist ideology or teaching my science/math classes, I also coached football.  As such, I worked with hundreds of teenage boys over the years.  Once ADHD and it's associated diagnoses and prescriptions became a "thing", a pediatrician in town became known as somewhat of a "specialist" in this field.  I never knew of a single kid who was evaluated by this lady who was not diagnosed with some form of ADHD and prescribed Ritalin, or whatever drug was most fashionable at the time for their "condition".  Normal adolescent behavior, particularly among the males in the school, was routinely being described as "abnormal" resulting in prescriptions being administered indiscriminately.  Fortunately, over the years it became increasingly common for parents to reject these diagnoses and refuse to medicate their sons due to this lady's recommendations.

It's also worth noting the total dollar revenues of these medications for both the pharmaceutical industry and the doctors prescribing them ...

[deerslayer]

I probably had what would later be diagnosed as ADHD.  This was in the late 70s/early 80s.  My mother asked my doctor about it once and his response was, “All he needs is 10 acres and a 10 foot fence.”  Fortunately, she got the point.  

[Chucktshoes]

6 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

I probably had what would later be diagnosed as ADHD.  This was in the late 70s/early 80s.  My mother asked my doctor about it once and his response was, “All he needs is 10 acres and a 10 foot fence.”  Fortunately, she got the point.  

Smart doctor.