school shooting in Nashville at the Covenant School

[Links2k]

9 hours ago, BigK said:

 

Have the anti-gun side given any concessions? Even one?

They’re giving up lives. 

[Links2k]

8 hours ago, Capbyrd said:

You misunderstand my point.   I can see why it was taken that way.   Both sides MUST agree to honest and open discussion. Not debate.  Discussion.   Progress towards a common goal cannot happen without that.  And currently, no one is willing to have a discussion.  Politicians are more interested in remaining in office, while their constituents are too busy demonizing one another.  

I’m afraid that you’ve misread the room. There are few concerned with the greater good when it comes to the precious (guns).

Secondly, you don’t have to concern yourself with what others think about you having compassion and empathy for an issue that affects the entire country. 

The older people in charge currently hold all the cards, but change is inevitable. Instead of engaging and working on equitable solutions, they prefer to keep their feet on the necks of those who hold opposing views. This country will inevitably become everything old men fear, and the citizenry will rejoice. 
 

7 hours ago, btq96r said:

Legally, we're in far less danger of being disarmed than at any time since the post revolutionary war period.  These are salad days for gun owners unless you're fixated on full auto. 

This!  Yet we have those who panic and see confiscation behind every bush. 
 

 

[Links2k]

5 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

 But what exactly have they got to offer us in return? 

What’s more precious than a life saved?

 

5 hours ago, deerslayer said:

Exactly, if the SRO tries to clown or joke around with kids and they refuse to participate because they are told “all cops are bad” at home, whose fault is that?

A kid doesn’t have to be told at home that a cop is bad. All one has to do is witness the actions of certain cops. 
 

 

[deerslayer]

1 hour ago, Links2k said:

What’s more precious than a life saved?

Which gun control scheme will save lives?  

 

1 hour ago, Links2k said:

A kid doesn’t have to be told at home that a cop is bad. All one has to do is witness the actions of certain cops. 

Then I guess you also believe that a kid doesn't have to be told at home that a black man is bad.  All one has to do is witness the actions of certain black men.  

Edited April 13, 2023 by deerslayer

[Hozzie]

1 hour ago, Links2k said:

They’re giving up lives. 

Luckily no conservative gun owners are also affected.  Magic bullets?

1 hour ago, Links2k said:

What’s more precious than a life saved?

 

A kid doesn’t have to be told at home that a cop is bad. All one has to do is witness the actions of certain cops. 
 

 

and let’s not forget Blacks, Hispanics, white’s, Asians and anyone other ethnic group.  Should be we discuss percentages of who may hurt you per racial capita to be fair?

 

Some may not like this, but stereotypes exist for a reason.

Edited April 13, 2023 by Hozzie

[Links2k]

13 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Which gun control scheme will save lives?  

 

Is anyone justified in concluding that all cops are bad because of the misdeeds of a few cops?  

1. If anyone had an answer we wouldn’t be revisiting this discussion after every mass shooting event. Don’t expect a solution from a retired civil servant. It’s above my pay grade!

2. I’ll amend  @Hozzie response to answer your second question. 

 

“Some may not like this, but SOME stereotypes exist for a reason.”

 

20 minutes ago, Hozzie said:

Luckily no conservative gun owners are also affected.  Magic bullets?

and let’s not forget Blacks, Hispanics, white’s, Asians and anyone other ethnic group.  Should be we discuss percentages of who may hurt you per racial capita to be fair?

 

Some may not like this, but stereotypes exist for a reason.

It appears you MAY self identify too closely as a conservative gun owner as opposed to being a human being first. My statement encompasses all people regardless of ethnicity, religion or political affiliation.  That’s who’s being killed by guns. 

Secondly, you may discuss whatever topics you choose.  If I have something to add to your discussion or a different opinion on your subject matter, I’ll address it at that time.

 

 

 

[Hozzie]

9 minutes ago, Links2k said:

It appears you MAY self identify too closely as a conservative gun owner as opposed to being a human being first  

 

 

I don’t identify anything other than someone with an opinion.  Certainly not a conservative as you would define it.  
 

 

[BigK]

2 hours ago, Links2k said:

They’re giving up lives. 

Lives are lost to whackos like the girl who shot up the school, none were GIVEN. The victims aren't us and them.

The anti-gun side isn't offering their lives in exchange for us giving up guns. 

[BigK]

55 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Then I guess you also believe that a kid doesn't have to be told at home that a black man is bad.  All one has to do is witness the actions of certain black men.  

I think you nailed how liberals think. They judge all cops by the actions of a few or all conservatives by the ideals they disagree with then demand everyone else be evaluated as individuals. It's intellectual laziness on their part is what it is.

[deerslayer]

23 minutes ago, Links2k said:

1. If anyone had an answer we wouldn’t be revisiting this discussion after every mass shooting event. Don’t expect a solution from a retired civil servant. It’s above my pay grade!

You implied you knew of a solution with your response to grayfox.  So I ask again, which of their proposals will save lives?

[deerslayer]

3 minutes ago, BigK said:

I think you nailed how liberals think. They judge all cops by the actions of a few or all conservatives by the ideals they disagree with then demand everyone else be evaluated as individuals. It's intellectual laziness on their part is what it is.

SSDD

[BigK]

2 hours ago, Links2k said:

I’m afraid that you’ve misread the room. There are few concerned with the greater good when it comes to the precious (guns).

Secondly, you don’t have to concern yourself with what others think about you having compassion and empathy for an issue that affects the entire country. 

The older people in charge currently hold all the cards, but change is inevitable. Instead of engaging and working on equitable solutions, they prefer to keep their feet on the necks of those who hold opposing views. This country will inevitably become everything old men fear, and the citizenry will rejoice. 
 

This!  Yet we have those who panic and see confiscation behind every bush. 
 

 

Go ahead and enlighten us with your "equitable solutions". You keep eluding to the problem being the fault of us pro-2A old farts who won't compromise. Compromise on what? What greater good is served by decent law-abiding people giving up their guns? So please forgive us idiots for seeing confiscation behind every bush. We've learned that we clearly can't trust people who think like you to preserve our rights.

[Sleep profit]

Liberals never let a tragedy go to waste. To. Push an agenda 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Sleep profit

[Capbyrd]

38 minutes ago, Sleep profit said:

Liberals never let a tragedy go to waste. To. Push an agenda 

You misspelled “everyone” 

[Links2k]

51 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

You implied you knew of a solution with your response to grayfox.  So I ask again, which of their proposals will save lives?

Asking about lost lives is implying I have a solution to gun violence?

[Links2k]

2 minutes ago, Capbyrd said:

You misspelled “everyone” 

Doesn’t fit the paranoia 

[Links2k]

46 minutes ago, BigK said:

Go ahead and enlighten us with your "equitable solutions". You keep eluding to the problem being the fault of us pro-2A old farts who won't compromise. Compromise on what? What greater good is served by decent law-abiding people giving up their guns? So please forgive us idiots for seeing confiscation behind every bush. We've learned that we clearly can't trust people who think like you to preserve our rights.

Dude, admit to yourself that you will never agree with anything I say concerning this matter. Save yourself a little aggravation. As per your request, idiots are forgiven!

[BigK]

25 minutes ago, Links2k said:

Dude, admit to yourself that you will never agree with anything I say concerning this matter. Save yourself a little aggravation. As per your request, idiots are forgiven!

I freely admit that I'll never agree with any of your anti-gun rhetoric or your trifling jabs at older forum members and name-calling. Maybe you should just block me, if you can't control your temper. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by BigK

[MacGyver]

Y’all are both longtime forum members - and @Links2k is a far cry from anti- gun. The man has sold more high end pieces than about anyone here.

I’d encourage anyone participating in these threads to argue specific points not passion.  

[Links2k]

25 minutes ago, BigK said:

I freely admit that I'll never agree with any of your anti-gun rhetoric or your trifling jabs at older forum members and name-calling. Maybe you should just block me, if you can't control your temper. 

Temper?  Where have I displayed a temper in this thread?  Maybe you don’t like the way that I express myself, but that’s your issue brother.  I’m an older forum member. When I speak of old men, I include myself in that demographic.

I’m optimistic about the future, and I believe that future depends upon young people not old men. 

[No_0ne]

5 hours ago, Erik88 said:

That exact scenario was parked in front of Pulse Nightclub in Orlando. 

I was referring to schools only.  I don't know anything about the Pulse shooting, or the surroundings there.

[RED333]

I will; gladly give up my firearms when there are "NO FIREARMS LEFT" for any one else!

[Darrell]

1 hour ago, RED333 said:

I will; gladly give up my firearms when there are "NO FIREARMS LEFT" for any one else!

I won't.

[deerslayer]

9 hours ago, Links2k said:

Asking about lost lives is implying I have a solution to gun violence?

No, but implying that lives can be saved by agreeing to the compromises grayfox opposes is.  

[gregintenn]

1 hour ago, Darrell said:

I won't.

Me neither.