New 2A win for California

[Erich]

I like any and every 2A win, even if they are limited or temporary.

Judge issues an injunction declaring the dubious parts of the CA Roster unconstitutional.

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/03/20/federal-judge-issues-injunction-against-ca-microstamping-requirement-and-other-aspects-of-unsafe-handguns-act-n68616

What's the roster you ask (short version): 22 years ago the gun grabbers took the long play approach toward a defacto ban by preventing any newly made guns from entering CA by adding unreasonable requirements to be 'safe'. This left only older legacy models 'certified', with them counting on the manufactures sunseting models in-favor of newer 'unsafe' (in the eyes of gun grabbers) designs. They did not count on makers knowing where their bread gets buttered, keeping lines of legacy guns available for sale in CA. One of the reasons why Gen 3 Glocks are still made among other things.

[NoBanStan]

Until they pass the next backdoor to go around it. Which is inevitable.

[Erich]

1 hour ago, NoBanStan said:

Until they pass the next backdoor to go around it. Which is inevitable.

There is zero doubt that the AG will be dropping an immediate appeal. They have done this with every win, and continued to escalate until the single judge’s or lower appeals decision could be stayed or reversed.

None the less,  the wins are still encouraging even if temporary as initially noted. The big difference is there are wins which never happened in years passed.  

Maybe not a trend, but we have to applaud  Judges who appropriately weigh the legal argument. It’s something we need more of.  Everywhere!

[Chucktshoes]

[DraxTheDad]

Perfect example of how CA laws do nothing to protect people.   They have the high-capacity magazine ban.    Ok, then back a few years ago there was "Freedom Week" where it was allowed for one week to buy and own any magazine you wanted.  MILLIONS of "high capacity" mags flowed into CA.   Since then . . . . no increase in crime or use of these mags in crimes.  

Odd... based on CA's arguments in the case this would have lead to mass death across the state.   That didn't happen.   

Years later it is STILL being fought in court.

[Erich]

If a Californian waited for them to be legal before importing they aren’t the problem. But gun grabbers will never concede that the law abiding aren’t the problem with laws only affecting that group, nor that mass murders are insane / mentally ill.

Freedom week is the model this current ray of hope will follow unfortunately, though no window will ever be realized this time to allow for importing our outrageously unsafe guns into the state before the stay / holds are put in place. The ruling gave them two weeks to kill it.

I did see some CA guys getting excited by the headlines and talking about placing orders like freedom week, but they didn’t actually read the ruling. It drops the BS microstamping, but they still need to get DOJ cert. The safe act and list isn’t dead, it just got more realistic with potential to expand. 

 

 

[Chucktshoes]

1 minute ago, Erich said:

If a Californian waited for them to be legal before importing they aren’t the problem. But gun grabbers will never concede that the law abiding aren’t the problem with laws only affecting that group, nor that mass murders are insane / mentally ill.

Freedom week is the model this current ray of hope will follow unfortunately, though no window will ever be realized this time to allow for importing our outrageously unsafe guns into the state before the stay / holds are put in place. The ruling gave them two weeks to kill it.

I did see some CA guys getting excited by the headlines and talking about placing orders like freedom week, but they didn’t actually read the ruling. It drops the BS microstamping, but they still need to get DOJ cert. The safe act and list isn’t dead, it just got more realistic with potential to expand. 

 

 

With those particular features zapped, all that has to be done by my understanding is for a sample to be sent to the CADOJ for drop testing and then paying the fees if that correct then really, only folks who want a Sig might be still left in the cold.

[Erich]

13 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

With those particular features zapped, all that has to be done by my understanding is for a sample to be sent to the CADOJ for drop testing and then paying the fees if that correct then really, only folks who want a Sig might be still left in the cold.

Exactly right. Then they are certified to the roster. 

The other piece of  ‘all that needs to be done’ that precedes the certification is that the AG and his anti gun admin need to give up and not appeal or fight the ruling. That minor like detail could be a problem.

[Chucktshoes]

Oh, no doubt they’re gonna appeal this. No doubt at all. 

[Garufa]

25 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

Oh, no doubt they’re gonna appeal this. No doubt at all. 

They absolutely will appeal and probably win.  In the meantime they’ll not be accepting new applications for the roster and if they do, there will suddenly be an “issue” of some kind in processing.

“2A win and California” don’t belong in the same sentence, or paragraph, or anywhere.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Garufa

[Chucktshoes]

42 minutes ago, Garufa said:

They absolutely will appeal and probably win.  In the meantime they’ll not be accepting new applications for the roster and if they do, there will suddenly be an “issue” of some kind in processing.

“2A win and California” don’t belong in the same sentence, or paragraph, or anywhere.

 

Bruen definitely puts it in doubt. It’s gonna be tied up in the courts for a significant amount of time. 

[Erich]

2A wins anywhere, no matter how brief are good for all gun owners across the US. They affirm the tests and legal standards. In highly oppressive states, they may even be more important given the politics and far outnumbered gun owners are there. Not taking the win in the spirit it was taken under might be a miss on the bigger picture or it's significance.

In CA, there were 2 prior runs made at throwing out the roster. Both failed due to the standard at the time. This new CA judgement was fully supported under the new standard set in Bruen. SCOTUS changed the precedent and its opening doors.

Interesting side note. A couple years ago Newsom passed a little hedging amendment for the roster in the event guns do get added. For every gun that is added, 3 must be taken off. How is that for transparency!