So, I wrote a letter to Rep. Todd

[Guest archerdr1]

I am not sure what the code is, but if you work in an establishment that serves alcohol, you, by law, cannot drink on the premises even off the clock. I am not sure if that is just a Chattanooga law, but in the academy, that is what we were told.

[Guest db99wj]

I am not sure what the code is, but if you work in an establishment that serves alcohol, you, by law, cannot drink on the premises even off the clock. I am not sure if that is just a Chattanooga law, but in the academy, that is what we were told.

If this is true, that has to be one of those crazy laws or local ordinances on the books like the one where women can't call men for a date kinda law.

[Guest MediaBuster]

Well I give up.. What we have here is a bunch of weekend warriors who think they are lawyers, & are now reading TCA's out of context.. It's like reading the bible you nimrods. Each law is subject to another, & needs to be read in proper context! That's why lawyers get paid so much, & why I called the Attorney General on all of these things before I aired my opinions.

For those idiots that say a Security Guard can't protect property with lethal force, yes you can, if the person resists arrest with a weapon or puts your life in danger. If they are running away from you while pointing a pistol back at you & firing, you can damn straight shoot them.. So, stop acting like the TCA codes cover every possible scenario, because they don't.

I have an Armed Security certificate, & I've spoken to the attorney general on all of this. What 'most' of you guys are is a bunch of "every other" weekend warriors who own guns but rarely shoot them.

That explains why the name of the forum is Tennessee Gun Owners, & not Tennessee Gun Shooters.

So this will be my last post on this forum, since there are too many know it all sheeple here for my taste. I'll go over to Warrior Talk, or a forum where people actually have tactical training & knowledge, instead of a rusty old Berretta that hasn't been fired since 1986 in their glove box!

The liberal infiltration here is a bit too obvious..

[Fallguy]

Well I give up.. What we have here is a bunch of weekend warriors who think they are lawyers, & are now reading TCA's out of context.. It's like reading the bible you nimrods. Each law is subject to another, & needs to be read in proper context! That's why lawyers get paid so much, & why I called the Attorney General on all of these things before I aired my opinions.

For those idiots that say a Security Guard can't protect property with lethal force, yes you can, if the person resists arrest with a weapon or puts your life in danger. If they are running away from you while pointing a pistol back at you & firing, you can damn straight shoot them.. So, stop acting like the TCA codes cover every possible scenario, because they don't.

I have an Armed Security certificate, & I've spoken to the attorney general on all of this. What 'most' of you guys are is a bunch of "every other" weekend warriors who own guns but rarely shoot them.

That explains why the name of the forum is Tennessee Gun Owners, & not Tennessee Gun Shooters.

So this will be my last post on this forum, since there are too many know it all sheeple here for my taste. I'll go over to Warrior Talk, or a forum where people actually have tactical training & knowledge, instead of a rusty old Berretta that hasn't been fired since 1986 in their glove box!

The liberal infiltration here is a bit too obvious..

If you'll notice I said you can't use deadly force to protect property unless it would also fall under self-defense. Someone using a firearm against use would fall under self-defense. However this applies to all citizens not just security guards.

I don't just quote T.C.A., I have contacted the AG myself a few times, directly and thorough my Rep. When you called him did he tell you legally he can't give opinions directly to citizens like he told me?

But if you wish to leave....this is one nimrod that's not going to miss you....

Edited April 3, 2009 by Fallguy

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

wow, he sure did get upset after only 26 posts. Oh well. Good thing I only own guns and don't shoot them otherwise I might be offended by his rant.

[Guest papa_t]

I just joined this forum yesterday. Does it always get this heated?

[-boatman-]

So this will be my last post on this forum

[Fallguy]

I just joined this forum yesterday. Does it always get this heated?

LOL...no, not normally.

Of course folks are a little more passionate about some issues or at certain times....

[strickj]

Mediabuster,no one here thinks they are a lawyer (well one of us does,but thats only because he is one ) or a weekend warrior.

And even though you said that,and called me a "nimrod" I still wont ask you to leave.I will however strongly suggest (since you said you were a security guard) that you read,and understand these laws for your protection!

You seem to have an interpretation problem here,and you are in for a big awaking when you use the wrong force to subdue someone,or use deadly force to protect property,etc.

Ill also remind you that the Castle Doc(and yes TN has one) will not protect you if you shoot someone thats fleeing.

Go watch Pearl Harbor to man up enough to know that you need to inform yourself here.

If you leave,its been nice.If you stay,dont ever call me a nimrod.......you monkey!

I just joined this forum yesterday. Does it always get this heated?

No,not usually! Only when a "knowitall" doesn't really know it all

Welcome to the forum btw!

[Guest archerdr1]

It is a local ordinance:

(a) The beer board shall have the power to revoke or suspend, and shall be charged with the duty of revoking or suspending, any permits issued by it, upon notice to the permittee and a hearing thereon, for any violation of any provisions of this article or any other ordinance, state law or regulation or federal law or regulation governing the operation of such establishments or when the permittee:

(13) Consumes or permits any employee to consume any alcoholic beverages while on the premises, or to be intoxicated while on the premises

The guy from the beer board pointed out that it says nothing about whether or not the employee is on the clock or not, so the employee is not to drink there.

[Punisher84]

I think Mediabuster has probably got to be the biggest idiot I've ever seen on here and yes that includes Kwik.

[Guest jmac]

To attempt in getting this thread back on track, here is the letter I wrote to Rep. Todd...

Representative Todd,

I want to thank you for the hard work and dedication that you have shown to represent the hundreds of thousands of HCP holders in the State of Tennessee by bringing forth a quality Restaurant Carry Bill in HB0962. I know that you are receiving a lot of pressure via amendments to distort the aim and spirit of the bill in order to either stifle or kill it altogether. I have watched you present the bill through the various committees and the last general assembly when the bill was presented.

I want to write a letter of encouragement for you to stick to your principles as you have in this legislation and know that we are behind you, whether the bill has an 11pm curfew or not.

Our main concern as HCP holders is the ability to maintain the safety of our loved ones and ourselves while enjoying a meal at finer restaurants in Tennessee without the fear of breaking the law or even worse, the ability to safely defend our family in a self-defense situation. Your bill allows us to legally do this, and I appreciate your fervent effort in leading this bill to pass.

I believe HCP holders have proven that we can safely eat in non-alcohol serving restaurants in Tennessee, and we would love the opportunity to patronize the finer restaurants that happen to serve alcohol. As a business professional that travels daily with a territory in Tennessee, Alabama and Kentucky, I can tell you that our neighbors have correctly given the freedom to restaurant owners and law honoring citizens to maintain safety and security while dining at the best restaurants. I can only hope my home state joins her neighbors. If I could assist you in any way to bring this bill into law, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Most sincerely,

jmac*

[Guest MediaBuster]

I think Mediabuster has probably got to be the biggest idiot I've ever seen on here and yes that includes Kwik.

Apparently you haven't been in front of a mirror lately..

[Punisher84]

Apparently you haven't been in front of a mirror lately..

Oh zing. What's next? Gonna yell "I know you are, but what am I." and tell me to get off your jungle gym?

LOL I thought you were leaving anyway since we are all to dumb to possibly debate with the mastery that is your mind?

[Guest MediaBuster]

Mediabuster,no one here thinks they are a lawyer (well one of us does,but thats only because he is one ) or a weekend warrior.

And even though you said that,and called me a "nimrod" I still wont ask you to leave.I will however strongly suggest (since you said you were a security guard) that you read,and understand these laws for your protection!

You seem to have an interpretation problem here,and you are in for a big awaking when you use the wrong force to subdue someone,or use deadly force to protect property,etc.

Ill also remind you that the Castle Doc(and yes TN has one) will not protect you if you shoot someone thats fleeing.

Go watch Pearl Harbor to man up enough to know that you need to inform yourself here.

If you leave,its been nice.If you stay,dont ever call me a nimrod.......you monkey!

No,not usually! Only when a "knowitall" doesn't really know it all

Welcome to the forum btw!

Like I said before stickj, (but maybe you have trouble reading), you're quoting laws without reading them in context, & in consideration of other laws as if the attorney general never has to issue opinions. THAT makes YOU ignorant.. You also took what I said out of context regarding the use of force, & are trying to twist it. It's a tactic that liberals like to use, or half baked wannabee conservatives, otherwise known as "rhinos".. Dishonesty for the sake of winning an argument at any cost is the way Obama got into office. You're doing a good job mimicking him now..

There are a lot of those on this forum.. (Not all of you), but many of you are a sad embarrassment to the gun shooters community, those who truly champion the second amendment, & the ideas of our founding fathers..

There be should no nanny type restrictions anywhere, period..

If you need your mommies to hold your hands after 11 pm, then bring them with you, but don't tell me the thread was off track because I'm dissenting about the nanny state approach to straightening out what amounts to a blatant violation of my second amendment rights.

This is still America for the time being, where at least some people still appreciate free speech. So if you want to kick me off your forum in fascist liberal style for disagreeing with you, then delete all my posts & my account, & continue with your exclusive group of forum fascists. I know that even if you think I'm wrong, that the writers of this state's constitution as well as the US constitution would have backed what I'm saying, & dismissed your pandering to political special interests as cowardly & selfish at best..

Oh & I'd much rather be a monkey than a nimrod.. At least we know that they can rip your face off in a fight..

Edited April 6, 2009 by MediaBuster

[Punisher84]

So angry...

[Guest MediaBuster]

You know strickj.. I realize that this pesky & challenging little article of the State of TN. Constitution keeps getting in the way of your argument, but wondered if you'd care to explain how kicking people out of the Chinese restaurant at 11pm so they can get shot on the way back from the parking lot is a "view to prevent a crime"?

I'll even give you an example to work with, & I want you to explain to me why gun owners should have to leave an hour before everyone else or put their gun in the car, & leave knowing that gun thieves could be waiting for people to do so at such a popular & family oriented restaurant.

PF Chang's Nashville

Hours: Sat. 11 am - 12 midnight

This is not a corner bar mind you, but a popular family restaurant. There are more examples that are open even later, but I didn't want to overwhelm you.. Please explain to me how telling criminals when the guns will have to go in the cars, isn't just like telling the enemy when you will be withdrawing from a certain location in a war?

Tennessee Constitution Article I, Section 26 That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.

arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law,

to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime

[Punisher84]

I'm just curious...if we are nothing more than a bunch of weekend warriors and know-it-alls why do you want our opinion? Why did you come back?

Couldn't you go play golf with the AG or the other tactical armed security guards with the shoulder patches and 5.11 packable jacket flip down id panels?

[Guest archerdr1]

Like I said before stickj, (but maybe you have trouble reading), you're quoting laws without reading them in context, & in consideration of other laws as if the attorney general never has to issue opinions. THAT makes YOU ignorant.. You also took what I said out of context regarding the use of force, & are trying to twist it. It's a tactic that liberals like to use, or half baked wannabee conservatives, otherwise known as "rhinos".. Dishonesty for the sake of winning an argument at any cost is the way Obama got into office. You're doing a good job mimicking him now..

There are a lot of those on this forum.. (Not all of you), but many of you are a sad embarrassment to the gun shooters community, those who truly champion the second amendment, & the ideas of our founding fathers..

There be should no nanny type restrictions anywhere, period..

If you need your mommies to hold your hands after 11 pm, then bring them with you, but don't tell me the thread was off track because I'm dissenting about the nanny state approach to straightening out what amounts to a blatant violation of my second amendment rights.

This is still America for the time being, where at least some people still appreciate free speech. So if you want to kick me off your forum in fascist liberal style for disagreeing with you, then delete all my posts & my account, & continue with your exclusive group of forum fascists. I know that even if you think I'm wrong, that the writers of this state's constitution as well as the US constitution would have backed what I'm saying, & dismissed your pandering to political special interests as cowardly & selfish at best..

Oh & I'd much rather be a monkey than a nimrod.. At least we know that they can rip your face off in a fight..

ok, I think I need to say something. MB, you are the one that said that you were not going to be posting here anymore. Some applauded, some made jokes about it. However, NOBODY said anything about kicking you off of here (at least not on this thread). I have to say that this whole discussion is getting out of control and downright CHILDISH. I really think that everyone needs to take the time to go back and read the "code of conduct" at the beginning of the forum. I took the liberty to cut and paste a select portion of which I think that in this forum has been totally forgotten, ignored, or overlooked. It states:

Members should treat each other as they would like to be treated themselves.

Name calling, flame posts, racial slurs, and other insulting remarks meant to cause conflict will not be tolerated.

You should always try to maintain good fellowship with the other members of this community and

be respectful

to your fellow shooting enthusiasts whether they are new shooters or seasoned veterans.

Debate is welcome and encouraged, but you must always stick to attacking the issues rather than the person or profession. Personal attacks, and name calling, serve no purpose in the exchange and debate of good information.

Keep in mind that in life there is no guarantee that others will agree with your thoughts or comments. You absolutely must try to handle disagreements, criticisms or opposing viewpoints with tact and maturity.

If you have a problem with another member or a vendor, you are instructed to take it off-line

. If a problem cannot be resolved satisfactorily in this way, you may contact the TGO Staff and request assistance. If a problem between members manifests publicly, the Staff will intervene in the way most beneficial to the Community.

some of the things I have heard you say, MB can be considered threatening too (

they can rip your face off in a fight)

. Be careful of your words, respectful of others, and agree to disagree at times. I am in total agreement that there should be no curfew and you have made some good points to that affect, but others here have made good points too in reguards to the bill not passing at all b/c of that curfew not being there.

nuf said

[Guest MediaBuster]

I'm just curious...if we are nothing more than a bunch of weekend warriors and know-it-alls why do you want our opinion? Why did you come back?

Couldn't you go play golf with the AG or the other tactical armed security guards with the shoulder patches and 5.11 packable jacket flip down id panels?

Awwe isn't that just adorable.. You're defending your buddy so he won't have to answer the tough questions in any intelligent or thoughtful way..

Well next time you two are out on a date together, tell him to get his ass back in here & have a debate without you injecting your grade school hyperbole into a debate where children aren't allowed.

Oh, & get another Avatar.. One that makes you look a little older.. That was strickj won't be arrested for having an under aged girlfriend.

Edited April 6, 2009 by MediaBuster

[Guest archerdr1]

Awwe isn't that just adorable.. You're defending your buddy so he won't have to answer the tough questions in any intelligent or thoughtful way..

Well next time you two are out on a date together, tell him to get his ass back in here & have a debate without you injecting your I grade school hyperbole into a debate where children aren't allowed.

Oh, & get another Avatar.. One that makes you look a little older.. That was strickj won't be arrested for having an under aged girlfriend.

dude, read the post that i just wrote. If this CRAP keeps up, I will be forced to PERSONALLY ask for you to be removed and I don't feel like doing that. yes, there has been plenty of childish things said TO you, but a lot more have been FROM you. Just quit stirring the pot.

[Guest MediaBuster]

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some of the things I have heard you say, MB can be considered threatening too (

they can rip your face off in a fight)

. Be careful of your words, respectful of others, and agree to disagree at times. I am in total agreement that there should be no curfew and you have made some good points to that affect, but others here have made good points too in reguards to the bill not passing at all b/c of that curfew not being there.

nuf said

Are you really serious? You have to be kidding me.. You take this as a threat? Saying that monkeys can rip your face off in a fight is a threat? Holy smokes you people are more stupid & delusional than I thought..

I hope you never get a on a jury deciding anyone's fate you fascist nutcase! How's that for name calling? I hope you do kick me & erase my posts, because I have already copied them to re-post elsewhere when I show that you guys couldn't handle a real debate..

I'm really starting to think this is another front for the Brady Campaign over here.. Is this a joke? Are you really afraid I'm going to become a monkey & hunt people on your forum down to tear their faces off?

Too funny... Thanks for the laugh though.. You better go call the cops now & tell them that the forum monkey is after you!!

[Guest archerdr1]

Are you really serious? You have to be kidding me.. You take this as a threat? Saying that monkeys can rip your face off in a fight is a threat? Holy smokes you people are more stupid & delusional than I thought..

I hope you never get a on a jury deciding anyone's fate you fascist nutcase! How's that for name calling? I hope you do kick me & erase my posts, because I have already copied them to re-post elsewhere when I show that you guys couldn't handle a real debate..

I'm really starting to think this is another front for the Brady Campaign over here.. Is this a joke? Are you really afraid I'm going to become a monkey & hunt people on your forum down to tear their faces off?

Too funny... Thanks for the laugh though.. You better go call the cops now & tell them that the forum monkey is after you!!

I am not playing this game. if you want to act that way, I do wish you would leave this whole forum. I am trying to chill this whole thing down but you seem to enjoy starting fights. it is not the actions of other people that turn people off from gun owners, it is the people that want to start fights and can't let go of a chip on their shoulders that makes people question the sanity of gun owners.

[Guest MediaBuster]

State Representatives are suppose to REPRESENT, not throw their own ideologies or personal opinions into the legislative process.. Its not their job to compromise, its their job to create bills that represent (there's that word again) the people.

Punisher is right about one thing.. I am flaming angry about the "compromising" that got us on the ropes in the first place.. Now you guys don't have to like me, you don't have to think I'm smart, or that I have any idea what I'm talking about..

That's all well & fine. I didn't come here to make friends.. Politically correct people rarely get **** done anyway.. But next time there's another Mass shooting in our country because people's weapons were not allowed to protect themselves, you might ask yourself if maybe those innocent people deserved to live, while legislators were "compromising" with their lives..

[Guest archerdr1]

State Representatives are suppose to REPRESENT, not throw their own ideologies or personal opinions into the legislative process.. Its not their job to compromise, its their job to create bills that represent (there's that word again) the people.

Punisher is right about one thing.. I am flaming angry about the "compromising" that got us on the ropes in the first place.. Now you guys don't have to like me, you don't have to think I'm smart, or that I have any idea what I'm talking about..

That's all well & fine. I didn't come here to make friends.. Politically correct people rarely get **** done anyway.. But next time there's another Mass shooting in our country because people's weapons were not allowed to protect themselves, you might ask yourself if maybe those innocent people deserved to live, while legislators were "compromising" with their lives..

I agree with you on the role of our reps, they are screwed up and have gotten way too much power, but the highlighted part there, from what I have read in the admin notes, is at least half of the reason that this site exists. We can debate, we can argue, but let's just do it in a friendly, respectful way. That is all I am asking.