Restaurant carry

[Guest colombianito1021]

anybody else watching them live right now?

[dralarms]

I am, it's a wonder those jackasses ever get anything done.

[Guest colombianito1021]

yeah...they are going on almost 45 min now

[jdogvol]

anybody else watching them live right now?

Yeah. Can you believe the foolishness of some of the questions? Are they really as stupid as they appear, or are they intentionally acting that way?:screwy:

[Punisher84]

Where are you guys watching it?

[jdogvol]

Where are you guys watching it?

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/videowrapper/default.aspx?CommID=2

Just click "view event" next to "House Session Monday"

Never mind. They just rolled the bill to next Monday.

[Guest colombianito1021]

It was moved to next monday now!!!!

[Garufa]

Continual delays do not bode well on this bill. Plus all the amendments, ignorance, parlimentary procedure, etc.

[Punisher84]

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/videowrapper/default.aspx?CommID=2

Just click "view event" next to "House Session Monday"

Never mind. They just rolled the bill to next Monday.

Oh well thanks anyway. I'm pretty sure they are just stalling until they kill it.

[dralarms]

What got me was the fact they don't even know the law now. Itiot was talking about only being able to carry the gun you went through the class with, WTF. How do they know what gun I used when it's not on my HCP?

[Volzfan]

Everyone needs to send their Representative an email RIGHT NOW reminding them of your stance and that you expect them to defend the Constitution. Don't wait for anyone else to do it for you.

[jdogvol]

What got me was the fact they don't even know the law now. Itiot was talking about only being able to carry the gun you went through the class with, WTF. How do they know what gun I used when it's not on my HCP?

I heard that. He essentially said a HCP holder can't carry multiple firearms simultaneously, and that the ONLY one you could carry would be the one you qualified with. I think he even stated that the serial numbers are on file, or some such other nonsense.

[Guest slim]

It's like that in some places, park & rest. bills will never make it!

[Guest crotalus01]

Thats the old law (only carry what you qualified with). Now you can qualify with a .22 and carry a DE .50.

[Fallguy]

Thats the old law (only carry what you qualified with). Now you can qualify with a .22 and carry a DE .50.

Not to side track the thread...but to my knowledge the HCP law never required you to carry only the firearm you used for the class.

[Warbird]

Not to side track the thread...but to my knowledge the HCP law never required you to carry only the firearm you used for the class.

Originally it was left up to the counties. Some were very general and some specific. In some counties, Rutherford for instance, you had to qualify with anything you would carry and better only be carrying what you had qualified with.

On top of that the deputy in charge of that in Rutherford, named Eddie Bowman, told you what you could and couldn't qualify with. For instance he said no single action automatic pistols. So no 1911 pistols, no High Powers. You could not carry pocket pistols, nothing less than .380. If was absurd. Bowman was one of the worst in the state. Oh, and he also told you how you were going to carry that weapon. There were other counties which were horrible and some were great. Wilson county was another bad one as the sheriff there then, I think he's still sheriff, but could be wrong, he has always been quite anti-gun. He also lobbied hard for the Crime Control Act of 1994 (ie, assault weapons ban).

The TCA never said they could control all of these things. In fact there was contention between state and local authorities, but the consensus was that the local and state authorities would lose a law suit if things were allowed to stand as they were. So what happened? Very timely lawsuits filed by gunowners, names not relevant here, against certain abusers such as abusers. This is what prompted the next wave of CCW reforms leading to what we have now.

[Guest archerdr1]

it sure would be nice if they would pick a date and STICK TO IT.

[Fallguy]

Originally it was left up to the counties. Some were very general and some specific. In some counties, Rutherford for instance, you had to qualify with anything you would carry and better only be carrying what you had qualified with.

Ah...ok I see. You were speaking of the permits issued by the local Sheriff. I never did have one of those...had a hard time finding an agent to get the required bond, also was young and to be honest, not that interested in all the hoops at the time.

But as I said..AFAIK since the state started issuing HCPs you were not limited to what handgun you could carry.

[Warbird]

Ah...ok I see. You were speaking of the permits issued by the local Sheriff. I never did have one of those...had a hard time finding an agent to get the required bond, also was young and to be honest, not that interested in all the hoops at the time.

But as I said..AFAIK since the state started issuing HCPs you were not limited to what handgun you could carry.

Correct, this was the time after the CCW law went from may issue to shall issue, but before the reforms. The abuses of local LEO's and ensuing lawsuits fortunately precipitated the later reforms. Changing the law seemed easier and timing was right, than to chance losing a bunch of lawsuits.

You are also correct also that bonds had to be purchased. It was required by law, and in the end it turned out that almost no CCW licensed individuals in the state held a bond, though they thought they did. That is a story for another time though.