AK vs AR vs Moisin Nagant

[Mark@Sea]

Got this from the "Of Arms and the Law" blog

A comparison of the AK versus the AR-15 versus the Moisin Nagant

AK: It works though you have never cleaned it -- ever.

AR: You have $9 per ounce special non-detergent synthetic Teflon infused oil for cleaning.

MN: It was last cleaned in Berlin in 1945. Maybe.

AK: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from inside.

AR: You are able to hit the broad side of a barn from 600 meters.

MN: You can hit the farm from two counties over.

AK: Cheap magazines are fun to buy.

AR: Cheap magazines melt.

MN: What's a magazine?

AK: Your safety can be heard from 300 meters away.

AR: You can silently flip off the safety with your finger on the trigger.

MN: What's a safety?

AK: Your rifle comes with a cheap nylon sling.

AR: Your rifle has a 9 point stealth tactical suspension system.

MN: Your rifle has four dog collars tied end-to-end.

AK: Your bayonet makes a good wire cutter.

AR: Your bayonet is actually a pretty good steak knife.

MN: Your bayonet is longer than your leg.

AK: You can put a .30" hole through 12" of oak, if you can ever hit it.

AR: You can put one hole in a paper target at 100 meters with 30 rounds.

MN: You can knock down everyone else's target with the shock wave of your bullet going downrange.

AK: When out of ammo your rifle will nominally pass as a club.

AR: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a great wiffle bat.

MN: When out of ammo, your rifle makes a supreme war club, pike, boat oar, tent pole, or firewood.

AK: Recoil is manageable, even fun.

AR: What's recoil?

MN: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK: Your sight adjustment goes to "10", and you've never bothered moving it.

AR: Your sight adjustment is incremented in fractions of minute of angle.

MN: Your sight adjustment goes to 12 miles and you've actually tried it.

AK: Your rifle can be used by any two bit nation's most illiterate conscripts to fight elite forces worldwide.

AR: Your rifle is used by elite forces worldwide to fight two bit nations' most illiterate conscripts.

MN: Your rifle has fought against itself and won every time.

AK: Your rifle won some revolutions.

AR: Your rifle won the Cold War.

MN: Your rifle won a pole vault event.

AK: You paid $350.

AR: You paid $900.

MN: You paid $59.95.

AK: You buy cheap ammo by the case.

AR: You lovingly reload precision crafted rounds one by one.

MN: You dig your ammo out of a farmer's field in Ukraine and it works just fine.

AK: You can intimidate your foe when you fix bayonet.

AR: Your can give your foe a good laugh when you fix your bayonet.

MN: You can bayonet your foe on the other side of the river without leaving the comfort of your hole.

AK: Service life, 50 years.

AR: Service life, 40 years.

MN: Service life, 100 years, and counting.

AK: It's easier to buy a new rifle when you want to change cartridge sizes.

AR: You can change cartridge sizes with the push of a couple of pins and a new upper.

MN: You believe no real man would dare risk the ridicule of his friends by suggesting there is anything but 7.62x54R.

AK: You can repair your rifle with a big hammer and a swift kick.

AR: You can repair your rifle by taking it to a certified gunsmith and it's under warranty!

MN: If your rifle breaks, you can buy a new one.

AK: You consider it a badge of honor when you get your handguards to burst into flames.

AR: You consider it a badge of honor when you shoot a sub-MOA 5 shot group.

MN: You consider it a badge of honor when you cycle 5 rounds without the aid of a 2x4.

AK: After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".

AR: After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".

MN: After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

AK: You can accessorize you rifle with a new muzzle brake or a nice stock set.

AR: Your rifle's accessories are eight times more valuable than your rifle.

MN: Your rifle's accessory is a small tin can with a funny lid, but it's buried under an apartment building somewhere in Budapest.

AK: Your rifle's finish is varnish and paint.

AR: Your rifle's finish is Teflon and high tech polymers.

MN: Your rifle's finish is low grade shellac, cosmoline and Olga's toe nails.

AK: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Mikhail Kalashnikov.

AR: Your wife tolerates your autographed framed picture of Eugene Stoner.

MN: You're not sure there WERE cameras to photograph Sergei Mosin.

AK: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to hold your rifle over your head and shout "Wolverines!"

AR: Late at night you sometimes have to fight the urge to clear your house, slicing the pie from room to room.

MN: Late at night, you sometimes have to fight the urge to dig a fighting trench in the yard to sleep in.

[Im Neero]

Is it weird that this thread makes me want a Mosin Nagant?

[Guest c.a.s.]

I don;t think so. It makes the others sound like toys. Of course it makes you want one. Except for the whole "dislocated shoulders" deal, adn if it was legal, I would love to get one.

[Mark@Sea]

Legal, sure. Cheap, too....

Arsenal re-worked will run you $80 or less.

[Guest c.a.s.]

So I;ve been told.

And by legal, I meant because of my age *points to age on side of post*

[Guest GT_Rat]

I want all three. I just don't think I can get the wife to go for more than one.

[Urse]

AK: Recoil is manageable, even fun.

AR: What's recoil?

MN: Recoil is often used to relocate shoulders thrown out by the previous shot.

AK: After a long day the range you relax by watching "Red Dawn".

AR: After a long day at the range you relax by watching "Blackhawk Down".

MN: After a long day at the range you relax by visiting the chiropractor.

That is so true! I had my back blow out the day after a range session with a 91/30. My chiropractor loves that gun!

[Guest utarch00]

That is awesome. Some of the guys at work and myself got a good laugh out of that. Out of the group we have one AK, handful of ARs, and one Moisin(with myself and one other guy talking about getting one).

[molonlabetn]

I have a feeling that there is a Mosin in my future...

...and perhaps a Romak PSL later on, as well... for ammo commonality.

I don't miss my ARs.

[Branket]

Well I have an AK and I'm building an AR, and well mosins are cheap enough that I might as well run out and buy one to cover all bases.

[saintsfanbrian]

Mosin will be in the future I think. After the Kel-Tec

[SkWaShDeM]

$60-100 for a still in the cosmoline, often times arsenal refinished Mosin in whichever of the three popular flavors strikes your fancy is cheap. I really should go buy a 91/30 one of these days if I can find one that's mostly decomso'd.

[Mike.357]

I have a 1948 M-44 and it is the loudest gun I have ever shot. It is an absolute hoot to shoot. Ammo is still pretty cheap if you do not mind shooting 50 year old cartridges, which I do not mind.

Matter of fact, anyone coming to the Meet and Shoot tomorrow in Kingsport will have the chance to shoot it!

[towerclimber37]

I actually enjoyed shooting your M44 mike!

its cheap, accurate and if you ever have to defend from enemies coming in waves, you can always shoot 5 waves back (the muzzle blast and accompanying muzzle flash is guaranteed to pulverize and cook the first 4 rows..if the 5th one makes it to your position, you need only stick them with that really REALLY long bayonet.)

[Mark@Sea]

Well (he said, cheesily resurrecting an old thread) I bought a couple yesterday. 79.99, or 10 bucks off that price if you buy two, so of course I bought two. Two is enough, right? Arsenal refinished (they look brand new) M44's, with pouch, cleaning kit and sling.

Bought some Prvi Partizan 7.62x54R to boot - reloadable brass cartridges, 15 to the box, 3.75 a box in quantity. I only bought 20 boxes, does anyone think I should go ahead and pick up a case (80 boxes)?

[R1100R]

I have a 44 and a 91/30. Get a slip on shoulder pad.

[Mark@Sea]

I'm not shooting these things! I got 'em as gifts, I guess.

[Guest tlondon]

This is sooooo funny!!! I have an M-44 and love it. Was at Montgonery county shooting complex last week-end and put 19 rounds through it and the dislocated shoulder comment is almost true.

[Guest dotsun]

Well (he said, cheesily resurrecting an old thread) I bought a couple yesterday. 79.99, or 10 bucks off that price if you buy two, so of course I bought two. Two is enough, right? Arsenal refinished (they look brand new) M44's, with pouch, cleaning kit and sling.

Bought some Prvi Partizan 7.62x54R to boot - reloadable brass cartridges, 15 to the box, 3.75 a box in quantity. I only bought 20 boxes, does anyone think I should go ahead and pick up a case (80 boxes)?

Awesome, maybe you shoulda asked if you buy a case of ammo will they throw in the gun? But seriously at that price I'd probably pick up a case of it now.

[Mark@Sea]

Dotsun, a case (80 boxes, 15 rds/box, 1200rds total) is 299.95

Is it a 'real deal', and secondly, who's gonna shoot the thing that much?

[Guest dotsun]

That's cheap compared to .223 in the TGO classifieds section.

[Rightwinger]

$60-100 for a still in the cosmoline, often times arsenal refinished Mosin in whichever of the three popular flavors strikes your fancy is cheap. I really should go buy a 91/30 one of these days if I can find one that's mostly decomso'd.

Someone post some links to the refinished Mosin's please. I still like the bruised shoulder look after a range trip. Don't feel satisfied otherwise!

[Mike.357]

I think the recoil is really over rated. If you properly hold the rifle to your shoulder it is very managable.

Mark is the ammo corrosive? I am not sure how long it would take to shoot 1200 rounds of it. When I got my M44 last spring I ended up buying about 800 rounds and I think I still have half of that at least. But I have not shot the rifle in a few months now. Might have to change that at the next shoot.

I paid a little more than the 80 dollar price but all my numbers match and the rifle was clean of cosmoline. It also appeared to be unfired. I thought it was worth the extra dough anyway.

Edited June 1, 2008 by Mike.357

[Rightwinger]

I will be purchasing my first commie bloc weapon in my life thanks to you guys here! Many thanks to the Rabbi for doing the leg work and ordering my up a Mosin and the first 100 rounds. I'll work it in with those, order up some brass ammo and reload for this one as well I guess.

[Mark@Sea]

MIke, it is corrosive, berdan primed, brass...