Restaurant Carry Amendments

[Guest TEBISH]

Has anybody seen these? Outrageous!!

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0962

Amendment 3 by Hardaway

The provisions of this act shall not apply in any county having a

population of not less than eight hundred thousand according to the 2000 federal census or any subsequent federal census.

Amendment 4 by Hardaway

(D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to train all of its employees on observing and preventing situations involving customers during which an altercation may occur or where it appears as if a customer is, by reason of alcohol or otherwise, losing self-control, or becoming confrontational or violent, thereby placing other customers and employees in danger of harm.

Amendment 5 by Hardaway

D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to provide armed security guards to protect the restaurant’s patrons. The restaurant shall be required to have the security guards on duty at all times when carrying a firearm is permitted in the restaurant.

Amendment 6 by Hardaway

(D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to maintain a liability insurance policy in the amount of five million dollars ($5,000,000) Such policy shall be designed to cover customers and employees for any property damage, injury or death that they may be suffer as a result

of an handgun related accident or intentional act committed by a person authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to § 39-17-1351, whether acting in self-defense or otherwise.

Amendment 8 by Halford

(A) Authorized to carry a firearm under § 39-17-1351 who is not consuming beer, wine or any alcoholic beverage, and is within the confines of a restaurant that is open to the public, serves alcoholic beverages, wine or beer, except at such times the restaurant is age-restricted as described in subdivision ©, between the hours of eleven o’clock p.m. (11:00 p.m.) and five o’clock a.m. (5:00 a.m.), or during any time in which

the restaurant is having “happy hour†or any other promotion by which alcoholic beverages are discounted, provided without cost during a certain time, two beverages are served for the price of one or any time during which an alcoholic beverage is sold or served for less than its customary price.

Amendment 9 by Hardaway

By deleting the period “.†at the end of subdivision (3)(A) of the amendatory language of SECTION 1 and substituting instead the language “, or at any time on Sunday.â€

So if I go to restaurants in large cities, with well trained employees, armed guards, with a large insurance policy, not during happy hour or on sundays - there will be no violence? Good to know - I've been trying to figure out what places were dangerous... Oh wait - WHY DO THEY NEED ARMED GUARDS IF THE PLACE ISN'T DANGEROUS?!?!?!?

[Guest archerdr1]

Has anybody seen these? Outrageous!!

http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/BillInfo/Default.aspx?BillNumber=HB0962

Amendment 3 by Hardaway

The provisions of this act shall not apply in any county having a

population of not less than eight hundred thousand according to the 2000 federal census or any subsequent federal census.

Amendment 4 by Hardaway

(D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to train all of its employees on observing and preventing situations involving customers during which an altercation may occur or where it appears as if a customer is, by reason of alcohol or otherwise, losing self-control, or becoming confrontational or violent, thereby placing other customers and employees in danger of harm.

Amendment 5 by Hardaway

D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to provide armed security guards to protect the restaurant’s patrons. The restaurant shall be required to have the security guards on duty at all times when carrying a firearm is permitted in the restaurant.

Amendment 6 by Hardaway

(D) Any restaurant that falls within the provisions of this subdivision and does not prohibit firearms in such restaurant by posting pursuant to the provisions of § 39-17-1351, shall be required to maintain a liability insurance policy in the amount of five million dollars ($5,000,000) Such policy shall be designed to cover customers and employees for any property damage, injury or death that they may be suffer as a result

of an handgun related accident or intentional act committed by a person authorized to carry a firearm pursuant to § 39-17-1351, whether acting in self-defense or otherwise.

Amendment 8 by Halford

(A) Authorized to carry a firearm under § 39-17-1351 who is not consuming beer, wine or any alcoholic beverage, and is within the confines of a restaurant that is open to the public, serves alcoholic beverages, wine or beer, except at such times the restaurant is age-restricted as described in subdivision ©, between the hours of eleven o’clock p.m. (11:00 p.m.) and five o’clock a.m. (5:00 a.m.), or during any time in which

the restaurant is having “happy hour†or any other promotion by which alcoholic beverages are discounted, provided without cost during a certain time, two beverages are served for the price of one or any time during which an alcoholic beverage is sold or served for less than its customary price.

Amendment 9 by Hardaway

By deleting the period “.†at the end of subdivision (3)(A) of the amendatory language of SECTION 1 and substituting instead the language “, or at any time on Sunday.â€

So if I go to restaurants in large cities, with well trained employees, armed guards, with a large insurance policy, not during happy hour or on sundays - there will be no violence? Good to know - I've been trying to figure out what places were dangerous... Oh wait - WHY DO THEY NEED ARMED GUARDS IF THE PLACE ISN'T DANGEROUS?!?!?!?

All this is is a push to get these places to prohibit the carry of firearms for themselves...this hardaway guy is a total tard.

[texfrazer]

What Hardaway is doing is adding amendments that will push the restaurant association into a position where they have to come out in opposition to this bill.

If there are enough lobbying groups opposed to it, then it will never make it to a full vote. This is usually one of the easiest ways to defeat a bill - by amending it to death or impotency.

[Guest archerdr1]

well, he needs to be kicked in the balls!

[Fallguy]

:wall:

[Guest TEBISH]

well, he needs to be kicked in the balls!

My thoughts exactly.. Maybe we can get the armed guards at the restaurants to do it. Or they could include that in the mandated employee training.

These amendments are definitely attempts to kill the bill.

[creeky]

This does more to take away a property owners right then anything else. Puts an unreasonable burden on the owners. It should be their decision to place a sign.

I guess this really means that they don't have the full support of restaurant owners that they thought they did.

Really sad... trying to amend the bill to death because they are afraid they will lose a vote. "Naffy" hands all over this.

[Guest pjblurton]

This douche represents one of the worst parts of Memphis:

District 92 - Memphis (Orange Mound, Rozelle, Bethel Grove, Glenview, Magnolia, Copper-Young & Lamar/Parkway)

I am certain that we could never change his mind but it would be fun to tell him how we all feel. "Shoot" him an email.

rep.ga.hardaway@legislature.state.tn.us

I just sent my stern and fact filled email this morning...

[Guest kcnative]

Thanks for the addy...this guy will be getting an email from me shortly. What BS.

[Guest jwp]

A population of 800k would negate all counties.

[G27]

A population of 800k would negate all counties.

Shelby county has about 900k.

[G27]

What Hardaway is doing is adding amendments that will push the restaurant association into a position where they have to come out in opposition to this bill.

If there are enough lobbying groups opposed to it, then it will never make it to a full vote. This is usually one of the easiest ways to defeat a bill - by amending it to death or impotency.

Don't amendments have to be voted on? If not, anyone could bring any bill to a screeching halt by simply adding some crazy amendment...

[Fallguy]

A population of 800k would negate all counties.

It's weird (normal) legal wording. If you look there is a double negative...so it means if the law passed it would not apply in counties with population over 800k.

In that amendment he is attempting to have it not apply to Shelby county if passed.

[Guest db99wj]

Yes, they have to be voted on and I believe they have to have a majority vote to pass.

I sent an email to that guy.

Edited March 26, 2009 by db99wj

[Guest HexHead]

Check out number 11...

SECTION ___. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1305, is amended

by deleting subsection ( and substituting instead the following:

( A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. However, a

violation is a Class A felony if the violation of this section involves a handgun

carry permit holder carrying a handgun in a restaurant.

So if you're unlicensed it's only a misdemeanor, but if you're licensed it's a felony? WTF???

And number 9...

By deleting the period “.†at the end of subdivision (3)(A) of the amendatory language of

SECTION 1 and substituting instead the language “, or at any time on Sunday.â€

We can't carry in a restaurant on SUNDAYS? Again WTF????

These guys are just determined to make more criminals. I just may say screw it, concealed means concealed and just carry wherever the f**k I want.

[G27]

I just may say screw it, concealed means concealed and just carry wherever the f**k I want.

[Guest Ggun]

Check out number 11...

SECTION ___. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 39-17-1305, is amended

by deleting subsection ( and substituting instead the following:

( A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor. However, a

violation is a Class A felony if the violation of this section involves a handgun

carry permit holder carrying a handgun in a restaurant.

So if you're unlicensed it's only a misdemeanor, but if you're licensed it's a felony? WTF???

And number 9...

By deleting the period “.†at the end of subdivision (3)(A) of the amendatory language of

SECTION 1 and substituting instead the language “, or at any time on Sunday.â€

We can't carry in a restaurant on SUNDAYS? Again WTF????

These guys are just determined to make more criminals. I just may say screw it, concealed means concealed and just carry wherever the f**k I want.

I believe the misdemeanor citations would be for the restaurant owners, etc, not to patrons carrying without a license, which is covered elsewhere.

The amendments will break the legislation if they hold. And the Sunday amendment, gimme a break...

[Guest TEBISH]

It's on the calendar again for 30 March. That's next monday for those without a calendar in front of them.

I hope they get an ammendment added by then that only allows folks to carry in restaurants on days not ending in "Y"...

[mcurrier]

I just may say screw it, concealed means concealed and just carry wherever the f**k I want.

+ 1,000

[Guest v3bahumut]

Some of this legal BS really amazes me.

[steamnsteel]

I called Dale Ford's office and talked with his secretary, she does not know how Ford will vote but said that their is alot of opposition for the restraunt carry bill. She was personally against the parks carry due to kids being in the area and would not let me give my opinon on that matter. I feel that these bills will fail again this year.

[Fallguy]

I called Dale Ford's office and talked with his secretary, she does not know how Ford will vote but said that their is alot of opposition for the restraunt carry bill. She was personally against the parks carry due to kids being in the area and would not let me give my opinon on that matter. I feel that these bills will fail again this year.

That is not good and should not be allowed.

Of course she can have her own opinion, but if she is going to work for an elected official she should take and note all opinions of his constituents whether they jive with her's or not.

[E4 No More]

I called Dale Ford's office and talked with his secretary, she does not know how Ford will vote but said that their is alot of opposition for the restraunt carry bill. She was personally against the parks carry due to kids being in the area and would not let me give my opinon on that matter. I feel that these bills will fail again this year.

I think that you should sent an email to her boss reporting this BS. That shouldn't be allowed to stand at all.

[Fallguy]

I think that you should sent an email to her boss reporting this BS. That shouldn't be allowed to stand at all.

The trouble is e-mails are also screened by assistants, I know from experience, so that may not help either.

[Guest Boomhower]

How hard is it to get face time?