P80 selling rules or advice

[Garufa]

Here’s a thought.  Don’t buy someone else’s unserialized, homemade gun.  If you want to make one of your own plan on keeping it.

Problem solved. 

[Smith]

1 hour ago, JohnSutton1980 said:

I agree with your thought. Although a lie to law enforcement about a “gun” is probably frowned upon. The sum I have come to, although may seem ignorant, will be to have the gun serialized and do a true transfer at a FFL. I will find all of the “dumbass” government infringements so I know fact wise I won’t become a criminal whose constitutional right is taken by a 1960s law. To my knowledge that is when the government decided to not allow felons to have guns. In the constitution it did not say”if you have a felony, you can bear arms” but that is my real deal extreme view on the 2nd amendment. I think EVERYONE should be allowed to have a gun. That way no Karen gets too full of him or herself and we all learn to respect each other again.

You don't have to lie. Don't talk.

Also, if you serialize it, you open a fresh can of laws you have to abide by. You are also now subject to direct inspection and stringent laws regarding compliance about transfer, books, etc.

You think the first question is grey, you just moved deeper into the cloud. 

It's kinda like talking to the police. Once you start, you're legally broken. If you don't start talking you're much better off and under much less legal jeapordy.

[gregintenn]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

Here’s a thought.  Don’t buy someone else’s unserialized, homemade gun.  If you want to make one of your own plan on keeping it.

Problem solved. 

You’re no fun with all that voice of reason stuff! Let’s what if it to death.

[JohnSutton1980]

11 hours ago, Garufa said:

Here’s a thought.  Don’t buy someone else’s unserialized, homemade gun.  If you want to make one of your own plan on keeping it.

Problem solved. 

Genius!!!

[mike_f]

20 hours ago, JohnSutton1980 said:

I agree with your thought. Although a lie to law enforcement about a “gun” is probably frowned upon. The sum I have come to, although may seem ignorant, will be to have the gun serialized and do a true transfer at a FFL. I will find all of the “dumbass” government infringements so I know fact wise I won’t become a criminal whose constitutional right is taken by a 1960s law. To my knowledge that is when the government decided to not allow felons to have guns. In the constitution it did not say”if you have a felony, you can bear arms” but that is my real deal extreme view on the 2nd amendment. I think EVERYONE should be allowed to have a gun. That way no Karen gets too full of him or herself and we all learn to respect each other again.

Wouldn't you also have to mark it with your information (Name, City, State) since if you completed it, you're the manufacturer?  Just putting a number on it would imply that Polymer80 (or whomever's info is on the 80% receiver/frame) was the manufacturer when the thing they sold isn't a firearm.

[JohnSutton1980]

1 hour ago, mike_f said:

Wouldn't you also have to mark it with your information (Name, City, State) since if you completed it, you're the manufacturer?  Just putting a number on it would imply that Polymer80 (or whomever's info is on the 80% receiver/frame) was the manufacturer when the thing they sold isn't a firearm.

I’m not 100% sure on that. I will “hope” the guys at the shop will be in the know as far as doing everything by the book.

[Chucktshoes]

You’re making it way more complicated than is necessary. 
 

That said, ensure the shop is willing to deal with it as the rules for them have changed on that recently and made it a big enough pain in the ass that many ain’t touching 80% stuff. 

[JohnSutton1980]

3 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

You’re making it way more complicated than is necessary. 
 

That said, ensure the shop is willing to deal with it as the rules for them have changed on that recently and made it a big enough pain in the ass that many ain’t touching 80% stuff. 

I don’t care how complicated it gets. I just want to be legal. I try not to play fast and loose with laws. My 6 hours in the drunk tank in Vegas 20 year ago was my scared straight!

[Smith]

18 minutes ago, JohnSutton1980 said:

I don’t care how complicated it gets. I just want to be legal. I try not to play fast and loose with laws. My 6 hours in the drunk tank in Vegas 20 year ago was my scared straight!

The ATF and "legal" is like the IRS. No matter how compliant you are, you will be in violation of some "rule". Good luck

[JohnSutton1980]

Not sure if anyone really cares. Procedure was much simpler than anticipated. Normal on the books transfer after shop etched a serial number on compact p80 for 20.00 bucks.  Total of 30.00. 10 for Stalin Socialist check. Not sure if ATF will be by in a few to check everything out but shop went by the book in every way so I’m confident.  I think as long as your not selling 5-10 of these a year your ok. Time will tell as I’m sure some idiot will push the limits one day.

[Smith]

6 minutes ago, JohnSutton1980 said:

Not sure if anyone really cares. Procedure was much simpler than anticipated. Normal on the books transfer after shop etched a serial number on compact p80 for 20.00 bucks.  Total of 30.00. 10 for Stalin Socialist check. Not sure if ATF will be by in a few to check everything out but shop went by the book in every way so I’m confident.  I think as long as your not selling 5-10 of these a year your ok. Time will tell as I’m sure some idiot will push the limits one day.

Glad it worked easy for you and yes some idiot will push the limits and screw us all. I could see a Sovereign citizen scenario haha!