Is Obama blocking me from getting ammo?

[Guest sstouder]

So i recently bought my first handgun the other day and went out to get some bullets for it. First stop was walmart and they said they were completely out of handgun bullets, so i went to a gun shop and they were out of .45 bullets as well. I asked the guy if there was a reason for this and he said matter of factly "do you know who your president is" of course i said yes and then he gave me a leaflet on all the things Obama wants to do to take my gun away but my real question is: Does this actually have something to do with Obama or is it a old white guy at a gun store who hates Obama?

[Guest bkelm18]

Theres a shortage of ammo right now. Nothing new. Most likely from the election.

[Garufa]

Obama has nothing to do with it. It is the mere presence of a Democratically controlled government that has sent everyone in this county on a gun and ammo buying frenzy.

Everyone in the business of selling arms and ammuntion are fueling this. It's the system at work, right? It is the role of business to create demand.

Civilians are also competing with the military and law enforcement agencies for ammo. PD's are buying ammo like there's no tomorrow. The military consumes alot too.

I have yet to hear one word from the White House regarding guns laws and ammutition. Not one.

Edited March 23, 2009 by Garufa

[Guest bkelm18]

I have yet to hear one word from the White House regarding guns laws and ammutition. Not one.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

• Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
  

[poak]

If you have a scanner, I'd love to see the leaflet. Most of the ammo disappeared after a ridiculous rumor about a 90% (sometime as high as 900%, varying upon the relayer of said rumor) tax on all ammo that would be enacted immediately upon being sworn in or some other poppycock...

Back to the issue at hand, what is a c##k?

[strickj]

Back to the issue at hand, what is a c##k?

Thats something you do not have!

It usually hangs out between the two thighs on an average adult male.

You might try Google,or wiki to do some "in-depth" research on the "subject"

[poak]

It usually hangs out between the two thighs on an average adult male."

I thought that was called a "strickj's face"?

[Guest bkelm18]

I thought that was called a "strickj's face"?

Oh snap! I actually laughed out loud on that one.

[Garufa]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/

Verbatim from the campaign website about a year ago. Not one word changed. My point being they have not spoken on the issue since. There has been no action or any other mention of the issue from B.O.

Please, let me know if I'm wrong.

[Guest bkelm18]

Verbatim from the campaign website about a year ago. Not one word changed. My point being they have not spoken on the issue since. There has been no action or any other mention of the issue from B.O.

Please, let me know if I'm wrong.

Oh make no mistake it is very much still on their mind. They are just waiting for the right time. If you don't believe that then...

[Garufa]

Oh make no mistake it is very much still on their mind. They are just waiting for the right time. If you don't believe that then...

That's why I stop by Wally-World every other day.

It's on the way home after all.

[9teeneleven]

I am somewhat uncertain what to do at the moment with regards to buying ammo. I want to have a good supply on hand. At the moment I only have 500 rounds of handgun ammo. I have never shot less than 100 rounds on a trip to the range. However, I don't want to contribute to the buying frenzy, but is it actually going to subside? The cost of metals is skyrocketing, so it is not just politics (or the fear of politics) that is driving the cost up. A year from now, will we look back on this and laugh, or look back and wish we had bought more when we had the chance? Hard to answer that one IMO, but I would love to hear a more informed opinion.

[poak]

I am somewhat uncertain what to do at the moment with regards to buying ammo. I want to have a good supply on hand. At the moment I only have 500 rounds of handgun ammo. I have never shot less than 100 rounds on a trip to the range. However, I don't want to contribute to the buying frenzy, but is it actually going to subside? The cost of metals is skyrocketing, so it is not just politics (or the fear of politics) that is driving the cost up. A year from now, will we look back on this and laugh, or look back and wish we had bought more when we had the chance? Hard to answer that one IMO, but I would love to hear a more informed opinion.

I'm far from an expert, but I *think* the price of metals have gone down... err, at least lower than the 1 year high.

[9teeneleven]

I'm far from an expert, but I *think* the price of metals have gone down... err, at least lower than the 1 year high.

I think you are right on the whole, but copper seems to be an exception: Linkage

[K191145]

If you have a scanner, I'd love to see the leaflet. Most of the ammo disappeared after a ridiculous rumor about a 90% (sometime as high as 900%, varying upon the relayer of said rumor) tax on all ammo that would be enacted immediately upon being sworn in or some other poppycock...

Back to the issue at hand, what is a c##k?

I wouldn't be surprised to wake up one morning and hear of a big immediate tax hike on ammo or firearms someday, they already did that to cigarettes and in April cigs are going up another $10 a carton. I wouldn't put anything past this adminisrtation. Also someday in the near future these 50K/year salery Obamatrons are going to wonder how their income tax was increased when their God promised he wouldn't. It will happen, just give it time.

[Wingshooter]

My take on the ammo shortage:

I think it the distrust of this president that has created a series of unstable circustances. Most Americans (myself included) don't trust him with the economy, foreign affairs, or our civil liberties. He promises one thing, and turns around and does another. He can't even appoint honest people to his cabinet! He is not trustworthy and is a liberal wildcard. Who knows what he will do next... invite Osama to Camp David for peace talks... allow / create another Cold War... grow government into Socialism... tax or ban guns or ammo... who knows? I think that is one reason why we see a run on guns and ammo. Like others have pointed out, who knows if it will be available (or legal) tomorrow? The old saying, "actions speak louder than words" applies here. It really doesn't matter what he said during a campaign, he HAS voted against our gun rights before.

I hope I am wrong about my gut feelings on this one, but I just don't trust him with our Constitution.

[Guest Dean_JC78]

Obamas AG Holder recently brought up a slew of gun control measures. Make no mistake, it is on the agenda. All it will take is some type of trigger (No pun intended) to get them into action on it.

Like if VA Tech shooting happened now, the whole deal would be rammed through congress in less than a week and the biased media would spin it for Obama 24/7 making sure most citizens had no clue.

If we can learn one thing from Obama so far, it is that he knows his legislation is crap so they have to push it through fast. As his Chief of staff said, let no good crisis go to waste.

[Guest pws_smokeyjones]

sstouder

Guns and Leather in Greenbrier as well as The Outpost on I-24 at exit 89 both had a generous supply of ammo the last time I was in either place. in fact, outpost hat .45 ammo by the case just this past weekend.

On the political angle, sure the lack of easily available ammo is driven by an unsubstantiated fear that the current congress and/or Presidential administration is going to make it more difficult or expensive to get ammo in the future. I am just as guilty as anybody of harboring that fear and I don't mind admitting it. I don't buy the shelves dry when I go into a store, but I do buy what I can afford when I find some.

[Guest sstouder]

sstouder

Guns and Leather in Greenbrier as well as The Outpost on I-24 at exit 89 both had a generous supply of ammo the last time I was in either place. in fact, outpost hat .45 ammo by the case just this past weekend.

yea i heard that today but i just stopped by On Target and picked up a couple of boxes after Dicks said they were out.

Ive read what everyone has said and i find it hard to believe that this could actually happen with the 2nd amendment being in place and that literally millions of people would reject it if they tried starting to outlaw guns and ammo and this would create another prohibition type era and in worst case scenario an actual civil war against the government.

and they took c@@k out of the title....oh balls.

[Guest bkelm18]

That's why I stop by Wally-World every other day.

It's on the way home after all.

So you're the reason for the shortage of ammo then?

[horse2water]

My take on the ammo shortage:

I think it the distrust of this president that has created a series of unstable circustances. Most Americans (myself included) don't trust him with the economy, foreign affairs, or our civil liberties.

Wasn't he elected by most americans voting for him?

[Guest bkelm18]

My take on the ammo shortage:

I think it the distrust of this president that has created a series of unstable circustances. Most Americans (myself included) don't trust him with the economy, foreign affairs, or our civil liberties.

Wasn't he elected by most americans voting for him?

52% of the vote is pretty paltry really. Considering only half the country voted for him, the other half did not.

[mcurrier]

Ive read what everyone has said and i find it hard to believe that this could actually happen with the 2nd amendment being in place and that literally millions of people would reject it if they tried starting to outlaw guns and ammo and this would create another prohibition type era and in worst case scenario an actual civil war against the government.

If they discard the 2nd Amendment, they will have no qualms about discarding the entire constitution. We are being subverted from the inside out.

[Guest edge3343]

I know this is a bit long I got this in my inbox this morning. So I thought I would pass it along.

Understanding the Ammo Shortage

by Mark Avery

USCCA Forum Moderator aka "Desert Lion"

People are stocking up, whether you want to call it panic, hoarding, fear, or simply preparation for the unknown. There are also many new gun owners. Ammunition manufacturers did not anticipate the popularity increase of "mouse guns" like the Ruger LCP and did not shift production to make more .380 Auto than usual.

No manufacturer is doing anything with ammunition serialization except fighting it by educating legislators on the manufacturing issues which make it completely impossible to implement.

There has been a shortage of the base metals. Look at these three price charts:

I can't control the period of each, and they don't match, but they're all in US dollars per pound. The time windows on these charts also float, so if you're reading this months after it was posted, you might not see the same charts described. Copper was up from Feb 06 thru Jul 08, but is now back down to less than half of what it was. Tin (used in both brass and bullet lead) had a spike for a shorter period of time and is also back down to less than half of its peak. Lead prices went up more than either of the other two but is now back down to less than a third of its peak. All three are at or below the prices in 2006. The prices are based on supply and demand, so either the demand has dropped or supply has increased - either way, they aren't affecting either the price or availability of ammunition now more than they were in 2006. Most of the manufacturers make their own propellant and primers. I'm not aware of any shortages in raw materials for those.

Yes, military has must-fill contracts with some manufacturers, but most of theirs comes from the Lake City plant run by Federal Premium. There are other sources as well, but that accounts for the bulk of their supply. Law Enforcement also gets priority, accounting for a major portion of the remaining production. However, law enforcement has also shifted to using more tactical carbines (M-16s) and is having to conduct initial qualification training for officers who have always used handguns and shotguns only. This accounts for a portion of the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO ammunition shortage and price hike.

There is also less surplus ammo being dumped on the market because a higher percentage of the new production is needed to replenish that being used. Normally, the military keeps purchasing as required by their contracts, even when they no longer need it, so the production capacity stays in operation. When the warehouses fill, the oldest ammo is sold as surplus and the new ammo takes its place. There is less of that old ammo available now. As more of the combat operations shift to Iraqi and Afghani forces, our stockpiles of surplus 5.56 NATO, 9x19, and .45 ACP will likely increase and the price will drop to something over the cost of the metals but much less than now. Many police departments are also switching to .40 S&W for handguns which will reduce their demand for 9x19. When the military stocks are replenished, there could be a huge flood of that caliber into the surplus market.

I would also like to get straight inside answers from the ammunition manufacturers. My guess is that the main reason for the shortage is increased demand. Increasing production capacity requires more than just additional raw materials. The plants are designed to run efficiently with only a small amount of unused capacity. If demand jumps dramatically, there's only so much they can do to increase output without major capital investment in new facilities. Those are both very expensive and take a long time to put in place. If the manufacturers believe this to be a temporary spike in demand which will drop off after people have what they think they need, there is no return on an investment in new capacity - by the time it's in place, it will be no longer needed. That would be a great way to drive up the price of ammo or put a manufacturer into bankruptcy. When the demand drops off, or if it never does, the manufacturers will add capacity to meet the new steady state demand with some surge production capacity. Some have reportedly already started the process.

But that's just my take on it - I don't have any special inside info besides having worked in the military logistics community for about a quarter of my career. Time will tell if any of it proves accurate.

And "normal" is just a setting on the dryer...

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[mcurrier]

Wasn't he elected by most americans voting for him?

That's the story. Now ask if he was elected by most living Americans.