Carry question.

[scatman]

So, my brother works 3rd shift at business, his company allows customers to carry, but tells employees they can't. Since there is no proper sign up or anything, if my brother were to carry, and have to use it, would it constitute the misdemeanor and fine? Or because there's no prohibition of carry to those who aren't employed would it just be considered a violation of company policy and the only resulting consequences would be that of the employer likely terminating him and nothing else in a legal matter? Does leave one to ponder. 

[chances R]

sign has nothing to do with employee/company policy.  If one has to utilize a firearm, a sign violation would be the least of his worries legally.  Still open to company repercussions.

[peejman]

Criminally he's in the clear. Violating company policy could result in termination.  

And note that TN law clearly states that if you use a firearm legally, you cannot be criminally charged for illegal possession. 

Edited July 23, 2022 by peejman

[scatman]

3 hours ago, chances R said:

sign has nothing to do with employee/company policy.  If one has to utilize a firearm, a sign violation would be the least of his worries legally.  Still open to company repercussions.

That's pretty much what we were thinking.

[scatman]

3 hours ago, peejman said:

Criminally he's in the clear. Violating company policy could result in termination.  

And note that TN law clearly states that if you use a firearm legally, you cannot be criminally charged for illegal possession. 

So, first point here, pretty much exactly what we were under the impression of. Hes not exactly worried about company repercussions, because any man in his right mind would rather forfeit his job than his life. The second point you mention here, I wasn't aware of that, that's good information to have as well, thank you.

[docachna]

"...Hes not exactly worried about company repercussions, because any man in his right mind would rather forfeit his job than his life...."

Or as a friend of mine who is not nearly as diplomatic as you once said, "I'd much rather be alive and looking for a job, than to be a dead guy who followed orders."

 

 

[Snaveba]

The only down side would be if the company finds out he is carrying at work (against company policy and not because he defends himself or others) and gets terminated for breaking policy.

That is a situation I mull over in my head with the same policy. 

[monkeylizard]

It's basically the same as sleeping with the owner's wife. Not illegal, but you're getting fired if you get caught.

[Snaveba]

In that situation, getting fired might be the least of your worries. 

[monkeylizard]

I think everyone agrees with that. The real issue is getting caught for some reason when you DIDN'T have to use it. Then you're still getting fired.

[chances R]

16 hours ago, monkeylizard said:

It's basically the same as sleeping with the owner's wife. Not illegal, but you're getting fired if you get caught.

good reason to carry

 

[-boatman-]

After I had to give up my line of work because of back problems I got a job at a auto parts store. I worked there over two years and carried every day against company policy. A few days after I left there I was in there for some parts and told the manager. He said "I often wondered if you did but couldn't tell and didn't ask.

[Grayfox54]

If your job is such that you feel the need to carry, it might be time to reconsider your career choices. 

[Garufa]

43 minutes ago, -boatman- said:

After I had to give up my line of work because of back problems I got a job at a auto parts store. I worked there over two years and carried every day against company policy. A few days after I left there I was in there for some parts and told the manager. He said "I often wondered if you did but couldn't tell and didn't ask.

How does something like that come up in conversation?  

[scatman]

7 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

If your job is such that you feel the need to carry, it might be time to reconsider your career choices. 

Its not necessarily his job, but where he's located currently, and the hours he works. His place of business has never had any incidents, but surrounding businesses have, he's only there for a short while until he gets the person he's training good to go, and then he'll be on to his next location. 

[monkeylizard]

13 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

If your job is such that you feel the need to carry, it might be time to reconsider your career choices. 

Do you mean school teachers? Or warehouse workers at the Smile Direct Club? Or office workers at Lockheed Martin? Or Postal workers? Or Wal-Mart employees? Or grocery store cashiers and stockers? Or food court workers in an Indiana shopping mall? Or literally nearly any other place on the planet where violence is not expected but still happens?

Yeah, those people (literally everyone who doesn't have armed security inside a fully secured facility) should change jobs to another one equally likely to experience violence instead of being prepared to defend themselves.

Edited July 27, 2022 by monkeylizard

[chances R]

16 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

If your job is such that you feel the need to carry, it might be time to reconsider your career choices. 

Let’s see; grocery store, mall, school teacher, fast food restaurant…

[monkeylizard]

8 minutes ago, chances R said:

Let’s see; grocery store, mall, school teacher, fast food restaurant…

. . . any job that requires road travel (including construction and landscaping), all retail, government offices/services, gymnasiums, churches, hospitals, corporate office buildings, basically every job . . .

Edited July 27, 2022 by monkeylizard

[scatman]

I mean, honestly, in today's day and age, theres not a single place I call "safe." Everything comes down to a risk assessment, unfortunately just the best way to guarantee the safety of my family, as well as myself, these days. In the last two months there's been three news covered road rage incidents involving a firearm. One can't even drive to the grocery these days without some higher level of risk than what we faced even seven years ago.

[Wheelgunner]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:11 AM, scatman said:

I mean, honestly, in today's day and age, there's not a single place I call "safe." 

It's been that way for quite a while now.  (It wasn't safe on a Boston street on March 5, 1770, for example, and it wasn't safe on Lexington green in the spring of 1775.)  That's why when they wrote down a note to posterity about the right to carry arms, the Founders didn't describe it as merely a right carry in places where bad things often happen, or have previously happened, or are statistically likely to happen...

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium.