Well It Happened Again. Sniper at the Highland Park IL. 4th of July Parade.

[Links2k]

16 minutes ago, TGO David said:

I think you might have been suffering from confirmation bias when you saw those photos and interpreted them to mean that he's a Trump supporter.

Dressed like Waldo from Where's Waldo and standing at a Trump Rally?  That looks like a socialist Antifa soy-boy peacocking for his buddies on social media.

Draped with a Trump flag, using it as a cape, acting like a moron?  Possibly a Trump supporter  but more likely just another form of clowning for his circle.

 

At the end of the day the guy is a world class d*ck. It’s troubling that I had to both sides something like this with photos. I assure you the families that lost loved ones yesterday could care less about the killer’s political leanings. What difference does it make? What difference would it make if this idiot were the  king of socialist? Why can’t we call out all dumb f*cks with guns without checking to see if there is a R or D next to their names prior to gauging how angry we become over mass shootings? ####’s crazy!
 

I don’t have any answers besides leading my family out in fire teams and performing bounding over watch when we go outside of our perimeter (home).

[FUJIMO]

38 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

I actually thought today it's possible that both are true. He could have been some sort of far left loser at one point before being pro Trump. Looking at him he looks like a a confused and pathetic individual that doesn't stand for anything and just wants to get a reaction from anyone willing to give it.

I think your initial claim of mental health is accurate because I just read he attempted suicide in 2019 and police were informed at that time. Another time he threatened people with his knife collection apparently. 

 

Well here's to him pulling an "Epstein" while incarcerated

[deerslayer]

3 hours ago, Daniel said:

But why is it that I am so disliked?  Of course I can have a bad day or be irritated with a topic but is that all it is?  Or do people just not like when someone disagrees?  

Disagreeing is one thing.  Going to a red state gun forum and advocating for politicians and laws that would classify the majority of that forum's members as terrorists and have them thrown in prison for legally purchased items is another matter.  It shouldn't be that hard to figure out.   

Edited July 6, 2022 by deerslayer

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

Going to a red state gun forum and advocating for politicians and laws that would classify the majority of that forum's members as terrorists and have them thrown in prison for legally purchased items is another matter.

Where are you getting that from?

[Omega]

5 hours ago, Daniel said:

Well, Ive been a member here since Jan 2008*.  I attended a couple of HCP court meetings with David once upon a time.  I have been to several (more than I can count on two hands) meet and shoots we used to do alot.  I've bought and sold guns here. My line of thinking on the availability of casualty producing weapons has changed.  Probably when the arm braces first showed up.  Las Vegas certainly got me thinking.  Of course New Town didnt help either.
 

I am interested on why an arm brace would have been a factor on your thinking, it makes no tactical or technical difference between a pistol with a brace and an SBR which have been available for decades.  Not to belabor the point, but and individual hell bent on killing someone, or many someones, would not care of the legality of one vs another, and would, if they knew anything about ARs, opt for just using an illegal SBR vs a brace.

 

To kind of keep on subject; anyone know what type of rifle he used?  I read that it was purchased/acquired legally, but they have an "assault" weapons ban in place.  I also seen where someone called it AR like, so what could be a legal Ar style rifle that would be legal there? 

[Snaveba]

1 hour ago, Omega said:

 

To kind of keep on subject; anyone know what type of rifle he used?  I read that it was purchased/acquired legally, but they have an "assault" weapons ban in place.  I also seen where someone called it AR like, so what could be a legal Ar style rifle that would be legal there? 

I heard while the shooter grew up in Highland Park (which has an assault weapons ban) , the shooter now lived in a neighboring town that did not have a AWB so he legally purchased them there. 

[Daniel]

2 hours ago, Omega said:

I am interested on why an arm brace would have been a factor on your thinking, it makes no tactical or technical difference between a pistol with a brace and an SBR which have been available for decades.  Not to belabor the point, but and individual hell bent on killing someone, or many someones, would not care of the legality of one vs another, and would, if they knew anything about ARs, opt for just using an illegal SBR vs a brace.

 

To kind of keep on subject; anyone know what type of rifle he used?  I read that it was purchased/acquired legally, but they have an "assault" weapons ban in place.  I also seen where someone called it AR like, so what could be a legal Ar style rifle that would be legal there? 

The difference between a "pistol" with a brace and an SBR is that someone went through more stringent requirements to get that SBR. They will generally be a more responsible person.  A pistol with brace is just bending the rules when we all know they are using that pistol as a rifle.  The "solvent traps" are another example. The device used by the shooter in LV would also be a prime example.

Edited July 6, 2022 by Daniel

[E4 No More]

How'd this turn into a bash Daniel thread?

If you don't like what a member says it's pretty easy to "Ignore" them. When the politics sub-forum was in existence I blocked several of our more impolite members, (both liberal and conservative), placing them on the "Ignore" list until after the election was over.

I've written this before but I will remind everyone: We use only 7% of our communication skills when we write. That makes it very easy to misinterpret what someone writes. If you are personally offended by what someone writes then you should either direct message them, and give them a chance to clarify their meaning, or just put them on your "Ignore" list. It makes this forum much more enjoyable.

[E4 No More]

16 hours ago, Daniel said:

From this I am guessing you and I were in agreement when it was previously discussed that closing asylums a few decades back was not a good choice.

I would look to finding a way to move back to that model.  Obliviously we would need to ensure funding was there for treatment and protection of both staff and patients.

Yes, I agree.

I think it's one of the Founding Fathers' mistakes when they gave the SC power to rule whether something violates the Constitution or not, and not assign them the responsibility to make suggestions on how to correctly go about whatever they were trying to accomplish unless it all violates it to the core. To put it colloquially, don't let them through the baby out with the bathwater.

You mention your questioning on how to pay for something in this post, but throw shade at Republicans for not wanting to fund it. I call bull on that.

Republicans see so much waste in government spending that they want that fixed before spending on anything else. There is enough waste that if they cut it they could fund so much more without raising taxes. That's a pretty simple concept that makes me wonder why people on the left can't understand it.

[gregintenn]

9 hours ago, Daniel said:

The difference between a "pistol" with a brace and an SBR is that someone went through more stringent requirements to get that SBR. They will generally be a more responsible person.  A pistol with brace is just bending the rules when we all know they are using that pistol as a rifle.  The "solvent traps" are another example. The device used by the shooter in LV would also be a prime example.

I assume you are aware shooting people indiscriminately is already against the law. The folks who obey this law are not the problem, yet they are the only ones who would be punished by any new firearm restricting laws. Folks who don’t obey this law are the problem, and you surely don’t believe they’d suddenly choose to follow some new law.

[Erik88]

1 hour ago, E4 No More said:

Republicans see so much waste in government spending that they want that fixed before spending on anything else.

That is going to put us into territory we're not allowed to discuss but this is very debatable. I used to believe it. 

[gregintenn]

1 hour ago, Erik88 said:

That is going to put us into territory we're not allowed to discuss but this is very debatable. I used to believe it. 

You are correct, sir! Politicians of all persuasions have no interest whatsoever in solving anything. They only wish to gain money, power, and create an imaginary dragon they intend to slay if you’ll just send campaign money and re-elect them.

If something In their interest happens to align with your interest, you can, for the most part, chalk it up to a happy coincidence.

Edited July 6, 2022 by gregintenn

[Links2k]

4 hours ago, E4 No More said:

How'd this turn into a bash Daniel thread?

If you don't like what a member says it's pretty easy to "Ignore" them. When the politics sub-forum was in existence I blocked several of our more impolite members, (both liberal and conservative), placing them on the "Ignore" list until after the election was over.

I've written this before but I will remind everyone: We use only 7% of our communication skills when we write. That makes it very easy to misinterpret what someone writes. If you are personally offended by what someone writes then you should either direct message them, and give them a chance to clarify their meaning, or just put them on your "Ignore" list. It makes this forum much more enjoyable.

I agree. Daniel is a good guy. The idea of an adult male wanting to vote him off of TGO is wild.

[Grayfox54]

Back on topic. 

I saw in the news this morning that the shooter has confessed. He gave details and said it was planned in advance. While driving around after the shooting, he came across another celebration in Madison, Wis. He contemplated shooting it up with the 2nd rifle, but decided against it because he hadn't had time to research and plan for that. 

He had two previous encounters with LE. From the story: "The first incident was in April 2019, when police were called a week after a reported suicide attempt, and mental health professionals spoke to Crimo and his family. The second incident was in September 2019, when a family member reported that Crimo was threatening to “kill everyone.” Police responded and confiscated 16 knives, a dagger and a sword."

Illinois has a red flag law, yet this whacko wasn't on the "No Buy" list. Therefore he purchased a total of 5 guns legally. 

 

[Omega]

13 hours ago, Daniel said:

The difference between a "pistol" with a brace and an SBR is that someone went through more stringent requirements to get that SBR. They will generally be a more responsible person.  A pistol with brace is just bending the rules when we all know they are using that pistol as a rifle.  The "solvent traps" are another example. The device used by the shooter in LV would also be a prime example.

That is where you and I differ, first we shouldn't have to SBR anything, as it is no more lethal than a rifle, maybe even less so.  But I would say that someone who puts a brace on a pistol has done just about as much work as someone who goes the SBR route.  They both understand the law, both want to stay legal, and both have, probably, passed a few background checks.  It's just that the brace guy didn't feel like the government is due $200 and all those weeks or months of waiting to legally own a weapon which the constitution clearly says he should be able to own.

[Omega]

13 hours ago, Snaveba said:

I heard while the shooter grew up in Highland Park (which has an assault weapons ban) , the shooter now lived in a neighboring town that did not have a AWB so he legally purchased them there. 

That makes sense, I figured there was a reason they were saying that.  I am surprised the mayor wasn't laying blame on the other town, like they always seem to do instead of acknowledging that the lack of laws isn't the problem.

[E4 No More]

5 minutes ago, Omega said:

That is where you and I differ, first we shouldn't have to SBR anything, as it is no more lethal than a rifle, maybe even less so.  But I would say that someone who puts a brace on a pistol has done just about as much work as someone who goes the SBR route.  They both understand the law, both want to stay legal, and both have, probably, passed a few background checks.  It's just that the brace guy didn't feel like the government is due $200 and all those weeks or months of waiting to legally own a weapon which the constitution clearly says he should be able to own.

Which makes me wonder why there hasn't been a challenge to it now that the SC is right-leaning. I kind of wish that laws/regulations concerning the Bill of Rights was automatically reviewed by the SC. A lot of this bull would end.

[Omega]

4 minutes ago, E4 No More said:

Which makes me wonder why there hasn't been a challenge to it now that the SC is right-leaning. I kind of wish that laws/regulations concerning the Bill of Rights was automatically reviewed by the SC. A lot of this bull would end.

It may be in the works, SCOTUS seems to be signaling such cases may be looked at now.

Supreme Court says several gun cases deserve a new look (yahoo.com)

 

[E4 No More]

2 minutes ago, Omega said:

It may be in the works, SCOTUS seems to be signaling such cases may be looked at now.

Supreme Court says several gun cases deserve a new look (yahoo.com)

 

They are signally bringing cases before them; not automatically reviewing them. I particularly think that regulating authorities were automatically reviewed. If congress is too lazy to manage making laws then the SC should be reviewing the changes automatically and be a check on the executive branch who change the regulations without changes in law.

[E4 No More]

3 hours ago, Erik88 said:

That is going to put us into territory we're not allowed to discuss but this is very debatable. I used to believe it. 

Yeah, I should have distinguished between Republicans and conservatives. They are not necessarily the same.

[Moped]

Well, the Illinois Red Flag law worked well.  He had two run in with Illinois police agencies and neither stopped him from legally obtaining 5 firearms. Jeez! 

July 4 parade shooting suspect slipped past Illinois "red flag" safeguards (yahoo.com)

[Grayfox54]

On the NBC evening news, they brought up the fact that before the shooter could even buy a gun, he had to apply for and receive an Illinois FOID (Firearms Owner ID) card which required a background check. Further, He applied at age 18 and his father had to sign the form confirming his approval.  If he's 21 now, that means that his FOID was approved in 2019, the same year of his previous Police encounters. Yet, he received his FOID and it was never revoked. 

[RED333]

Praying for the for the family's that lost loved ones, the 2 year old boy that lost both parents that day, I think of him every time I read or hear about this.

Edited July 7, 2022 by RED333
We need to pray more

[DJTC45]

Sad times we're living in nowadays. I'm only 56 and never thought such things like this would happen in my lifetime, seem's to occur once or twice a week. The systems in place do nothing but hurt the law abiding gun owners we seem to pay the most for these idiots crime. 

[E4 No More]

2 hours ago, DJTC45 said:

Sad times we're living in nowadays. I'm only 56 and never thought such things like this would happen in my lifetime, seem's to occur once or twice a week. The systems in place do nothing but hurt the law abiding gun owners we seem to pay the most for these idiots crime. 

The Texas Tower Sniper was in 1966. https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-Tower-shooting-of-1966

EDIT: You weren't old enough to remember it, but these things, or things like them, have occurred for a lot longer than you've been on this earth.

Edited July 7, 2022 by E4 No More