DOJ Reportedly to Begin Pistol Brace Ban in June of 2022

[TGO David]

I haven't watched this yet but figured we could all just be pissed off together.

 

 

[bobsguns]

My AR pistol with brace came with an ATF letter of approval. They can bugger off or send bachelors, I could care less either way. 

I don't believe this will go like they want it to, IMO. 

Anyone want to bet there'll be another Waco during Pedo Joe's tenure? He's going to do something to pump up his numbers, IMO. His approval rating is in the toilet, his bills in Congress are dead in the water & he chits his pants. He'll pick something to make him look leader-worthy, IMO. Pistol braces may be it.

[Moped]

I figure it will go like the bump stock ban, imposed under Trump.  A big bunch of nothing. You just won't see them anymore.  I never did see how this got around the NFA of 1934, in the first place, not that I agree with it.  I don't see what it matters, if a rifle is 10" or 16".  It's all stupid.

[Erik88]

Every 6-8 months some "news" will break about some new way the ATF is about to to bend us over. People get outraged, all the YouTube gun gurus put out click bait videos, then the ATF seems to back down and we don't hear about it for another 6-8 months, if ever. I find myself feeling unsure as to what I'm able to do about it. 

[10-Ring]

1 hour ago, Erik88 said:

Every 6-8 months some "news" will break about some new way the ATF is about to to bend us over. People get outraged, all the YouTube gun gurus put out click bait videos, then the ATF seems to back down and we don't hear about it for another 6-8 months, if ever. I find myself feeling unsure as to what I'm able to do about it. 

Yep.  Hate to sound complacent, but I don't think Joe has done much of anything during the year he has been in office and I don't think he plans to either. 

[DL126]

15 hours ago, Erik88 said:

Every 6-8 months some "news" will break about some new way the ATF is about to to bend us over. People get outraged, all the YouTube gun gurus put out click bait videos, then the ATF seems to back down and we don't hear about it for another 6-8 months, if ever. I find myself feeling unsure as to what I'm able to do about it. 

IMHO .. It fits quite nicely into a process referred to as "Menticide".
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Edited February 1, 2022 by DL126

[papa61]

21 hours ago, Erik88 said:

Every 6-8 months some "news" will break about some new way the ATF is about to to bend us over. People get outraged, all the YouTube gun gurus put out click bait videos, then the ATF seems to back down and we don't hear about it for another 6-8 months, if ever. I find myself feeling unsure as to what I'm able to do about it. 

 

19 hours ago, 10-Ring said:

Yep.  Hate to sound complacent, but I don't think Joe has done much of anything during the year he has been in office and I don't think he plans to either. 

Guys, it is not unfeasible to assume that pistol braces will be made a federal felony. ATF has already sent letters to solvent trap buyers, even those that filed and received approval to build a suppressor, that all solvent traps are now considered illegal suppressors and must be turned in or confiscated. Charges have not been ruled out depending on who at he Bureau is asked. those associated with the auto key card are being prosecuted. SBA brace plugs have been deemed illegal for use.
at this point we have no room for complacency, the NRA is at it's weakest in history and GOA does not have the numbers to fight without us. past experience of these things blowing over will not repeat in the current state of affairs.

I am NOT an alarmist. I am a realist and I'm saying the wolf is at the door. they will divide and conquer if we do not stand together.

 

THIS STATEMENT IS RETRACTED AS UNSUBSTANIATED RUMOR. Sorry
two forced reset trigger companies have been raided and records seized. orders to raid FFLs have been sent.

Edited February 1, 2022 by papa61

[OldIronFan]

24 minutes ago, papa61 said:

 

two forced reset trigger companies have been raided and records seized.

The forced reset trigger companies were not raided. Neither Rare Breed or Wide Open Trigger was raided by the ATF. The ATF did go to Big Daddy Unlimited and seized their inventory of Wide Open Triggers FRTs. I have found zero reporting of any action being taken against any individual owner of a FRT product from either company. 

[OldIronFan]

That being said there was never an issued opinion letter on FRTs as there was with pistol braces. That and the limited number of forced reset triggers out in the market due to the limited number of manufacturers at this point makes them a much easier target for the ATF.

I believe pistol braces will be a much steeper hill for them to climb with their history of approval/opinion letters allowing them. They may very well try to climb that hill in the future but I do not think it will be a focus in the immediate future. 80% receivers, parts kits, Form 1 products (solvent traps), binary and forced reset triggers will all take priority over braces in my opinion. 
 

[bobsguns]

10 hours ago, papa61 said:

I am NOT an alarmist. I am a realist and I'm saying the wolf is at the door. they will divide and conquer if we do not stand together.

Skirting around the edges of a/the law with a device or gimmick is not something I want nor like to do. If people want to do that sort of thing, that's their choice(s).

But when I have a BATFE letter stating my device IS legal, that's it, IMO. I could care less if or when they change their mind on something they earlier said, "perfectly ok." Screw that. Congress passing a law is one thing. An unelected bureaucrat changing their mind on something is an entirely different kettle of fish. 

I fear the next Waco (and there WILL be one under Biden) will make the first one look like a Boy Scout campout. Given the joy liberals take these days in inflicting pain upon their opposition, there will be no push-back on the next Waco-like event, IMO. It will be neither pleasant nor legal, IMO. 

Edited February 2, 2022 by bobsguns

[papa61]

2 hours ago, OldIronFan said:

The forced reset trigger companies were not raided. Neither Rare Breed or Wide Open Trigger was raided by the ATF. The ATF did go to Big Daddy Unlimited and seized their inventory of Wide Open Triggers FRTs. I have found zero reporting of any action being taken against any individual owner of a FRT product from either company. 

I have to retract the raid comment. My apology as my source was in error. There has been a letter of intent to seize circulating that could be a fake or not. 

[papa61]

1 hour ago, bobsguns said:

Skirting around the edges of a/the law with a device or gimmick is not something I want nor like to do. If people want to do that sort of thing, that's their choice(s).

But when I have a BATFE letter stating my device IS legal, that's it, IMO. I could care less if or when they change their mind on something they earlier said, "prefectly ok." Screw that. Congress passing a law is one thing. An unelected bureaucrat changing their mind on something is an entirely different kettle of fish. 

I fear the next Waco (and there WILL be one under Biden) will make the first one look like a Boy Scout campout. Given the joy liberals take these days in inflicting pain upon their opposition, there will be no push-back on the next Waco-like event, IMO. It will be neither pleasant nor legal, IMO. 

I have no use for bump stocks or lightning keys myself. If I need I can legally purchase a gatling gun. Not that I believe ANY of these regs are legal. My personal AR pistol had a forward grip and a blade type brace on it when I bought it. Both have been removed and it now wears an SBA3. My point is I didn't believe the bump stock ban would fly, still in court I understand. WE, I, ALL gun owners should have stood against that but I didn't because I felt it had a snowballs chance in hell of getting enacted. Let's not make the same misjudgement again.

If we fail to make our presence felt in congress, we will have a multitude of WACOs. as I said, divide and conquer. We as gun owners have been soft on allowing these "small, common sense" infringements to be implemented by feeling it didn't affect us. Now the heat is on and the frogs are cooking.

When you look back where does congress or the bureau get the authority to decide which or what type of arms the people have the right to keep and bear? I have read old case law on how sawed off shotgun ban was upheld. We have federal case history that says the 2nd does not apply to arms not suitable for war. Look that one up as I can't off the top of my head quote the case.

The puppet in the oval has said we can't fight a tyrannical government without tanks and airplanes so why is he so hot to take these arms? Because he has read history, or someone else did and told him, Patriots can do anything. (see Afganistan)

[bobsguns]

7 hours ago, papa61 said:

The puppet in the oval has said we can't fight a tyrannical government without tanks and airplanes so why is he so hot to take these arms? Because he has read history, or someone else did and told him, Patriots can do anything. (see Afganistan)

A) Libs want the thugs to be able to riot in the cities w/o being endangered by the people whom own the businesses who got looted & burned to the ground. 

B) A few well-placed snipers are worth multiple tanks & planes, IMO. Just ask Lincoln, JFK & several others in history's past. 

[Garufa]

Maybe someone with more patience than mine can find this latest decree in the Federal Register cause I ain't seeing it.  It was scheduled to be posted yesterday, right?

[Swang]

Over recent years I am sure ATF feels they have been losing control and must act to preserve their self proclaimed purposes. From 80% AR and pistol lowers, ARs with finned grips, or "bullet buttons, forced reset triggers, dissecting the laws and finding ways to skirt them. It's futile to update legislation and surely getting heat from the administration to do something. So they will just arrest people milk their money and business, put on some news segments, and grit their teeth and chest thump. Whether you agree or not with them they have to make some sort of noise.

[felinesNfreedom]

[Grayfox54]

I only own one firearm that has a brace and it came from the factory that way. I doubt it'll ever be a problem. 

I don't own any of that other stuff. FRTs, 80% or such. But I don't want to see any of that stuff banned either. It would be just one more step in the plan to destroy our rights.

I think the most likely outcome will be the ban of any new production of these items. But the stuff already out there will be allowed to stay. 

[bobsguns]

11 hours ago, Swang said:

Over recent years I am sure ATF feels they have been losing control and must act to preserve their self proclaimed purposes. From 80% AR and pistol lowers, ARs with finned grips, or "bullet buttons, forced reset triggers, dissecting the laws and finding ways to skirt them. It's futile to update legislation and surely getting heat from the administration to do something. So they will just arrest people milk their money and business, put on some news segments, and grit their teeth and chest thump. Whether you agree or not with them they have to make some sort of noise.

This would seem to be spot-on. Well done!