Springfield is teasing something

[bobsguns]

20 hours ago, tercel89 said:

I just read that it comes with only ONE magazine ! WTF ???  $700 for a gun that only comes with one magazine is crappy in my opinion ! 

Colt's been doing that for years. Some other makers (plural) are also doing that. Seems I recall Rock Island on their 2011's doing that too? Walther does it as well. 

The gun business is a super competitive world, more so than cars, trucks, cameras & computers, IMO. The cost of the 2nd mag might be what slides the cost of production from break-even to profitable? I'm certainly not in the business, so I can't speak to specifics but that'd be my guess. 

Have you not noticed auto mfgrs now only have one external door lock? No more ashtrays? All that times a couple of million & you're talking pure profit back to the mfgrs. 

[bobsguns]

2 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

Disagree. 

Gives a perp an excellent aiming point. 

[usnbud]

I have about 200 rounds through mine now, no malfunctions whatsovever with a mix of 147 gr lawman, 124 gr winchester, 115 gr federal, and a magazine of hornady xtp 124 gr.  The trigger was excellent and seems to be even better now.  finish is holding up and internals looked good during a detail clean.  Im very pleased with this pistol, so much so that I lucked out and got another one for my oldest son, a consecutive serial number, both 3 digits.  I paid a little over msrp, but lifes too short and you cant take it with you. Hes shot and handled my 1911's, my sigs, glocks, cz's, you name it, but he lit up with this one! Its going to be worth it to me when I give it to him!

[deerslayer]

1 hour ago, Chucktshoes said:

Not everything that needs to be illuminated, needs to be muzzled. But sometimes you need to illuminate something that does need to be muzzled, and you still need your other hand free as well.

I've never understood the need for a flashlight on a carry gun.  To a limited degree, I get their purpose for a house gun (which, I admit, may sometimes also serve as one's carry gun), but can you explain the difference between or give examples of these two scenarios while carrying in public?  A couple friends think I am a Neanderthal because I refuse to put one on my carry gun, but they haven't yet convinced me I need to do it.  

Edited November 10, 2021 by deerslayer

[TGO David]

10 hours ago, deerslayer said:

I've never understood the need for a flashlight on a carry gun.  To a limited degree, I get their purpose for a house gun (which, I admit, may sometimes also serve as one's carry gun), but can you explain the difference between or give examples of these two scenarios while carrying in public?  A couple friends think I am a Neanderthal because I refuse to put one on my carry gun, but they haven't yet convinced me I need to do it.  

I waver back and forth on this subject.  I imagine that we would both agree that you need a source of bright white light, readily accessible even under stress or hostile conditions, on your person as part of your daily carry.  That light should be separate from your weapon-mounted light.  There are simply just situations in which you will want to illuminate something without pointing a gun at it.  Even if it's to determine if you want to point your gun at it. 

A good WML is a must-have for home defense, police duty or armed guard duty, IMO.   For civilians it's probably not as essential but that also depends on what time of day and in what environments you typically operate.  With that said, however, I believe it was Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics that I first heard ask a naysayer, "Do you ever go into buildings?" when they posed the idea that a WML in daylight isn't logical.

On the other side of this argument I will readily admit that finding a good holster for a handgun without a WML is a heck of a lot easier than finding one with.  Even with as common as WML holsters are these days, it's still easier to find a great one without a light than it is to find one with a light, especially for a brand new model handgun.

 

I still carry 99.9999% of the time with a handheld light and a weapon mounted light.   But there are times I only carry a handheld light and I don't feel entirely vulnerable or incomplete without the WML.

 

[Cruel Hand Luke]

13 hours ago, Garufa said:

 

Do you have a report to offer?  I can’t be the only one waiting to hear.  

No shooting report to offer. That's not mine, we got some in at work and I was able to handle it and take the pics. My initial impression is that it looks good, and feels good. Trigger is better than the standard mag disconnect safety guns . Cycling the slide was just a little grittier than I expected but it probably just needs to be cleaned and lubed up. 

[Capbyrd]

12 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

and you still need your other hand free as well.

 

Please provide an example.  This is where you lose me.  

[deerslayer]

3 hours ago, TGO David said:

I waver back and forth on this subject.  I imagine that we would both agree that you need a source of bright white light, readily accessible even under stress or hostile conditions, on your person as part of your daily carry.  That light should be separate from your weapon-mounted light.  There are simply just situations in which you will want to illuminate something without pointing a gun at it.  Even if it's to determine if you want to point your gun at it. 

A good WML is a must-have for home defense, police duty or armed guard duty, IMO.   For civilians it's probably not as essential but that also depends on what time of day and in what environments you typically operate.  With that said, however, I believe it was Aaron Cowan at Sage Dynamics that I first heard ask a naysayer, "Do you ever go into buildings?" when they posed the idea that a WML in daylight isn't logical.

On the other side of this argument I will readily admit that finding a good holster for a handgun without a WML is a heck of a lot easier than finding one with.  Even with as common as WML holsters are these days, it's still easier to find a great one without a light than it is to find one with a light, especially for a brand new model handgun.

 

I still carry 99.9999% of the time with a handheld light and a weapon mounted light.   But there are times I only carry a handheld light and I don't feel entirely vulnerable or incomplete without the WML.

 

And now to confirm my true Cro-Magnon status:  I rarely carry a hand held light and struggle to imagine a defensive situation in my everyday life where I would need one immediately accessible on my person.  If I am poking around in the woods after dark or working in an abandoned or unlit building, I would have one.  But on a trip to soccer practice, then Bass Pro, then the grocery store?  Not sure how it’s beneficial.  

Edited November 10, 2021 by deerslayer

[Capbyrd]

18 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

And now to confirm my true Cro-Magnon status:  I rarely carry a hand held light and struggle to imagine a defensive situation in my everyday life where I would need one immediately accessible on my person.  If I am poking around in the woods after dark or working in an abandoned or unlit building, I would have one.  But on a trip to soccer practice, then Bass Pro, then the grocery store?  Not sure how it’s beneficial.  

Do you a carry a knife?   Lights are equally as useful for daily life.   I seem to always find the dark spot in the brightest areas. 

 

[deerslayer]

21 minutes ago, Capbyrd said:

Do you a carry a knife?   Lights are equally as useful for daily life.   I seem to always find the dark spot in the brightest areas. 

 

Yes I carry a small pocket knife and they are occasionally quite handy.  I don’t carry a Bowie or karambit.  I do carry a more fighting-oriented fixed blade when running, but am otherwise unarmed. 
 

Lights are useful for daily life?  Sure.  I always have one in the truck.  Useful and required carry gear for fighting bad guys encountered during my daily routine?  I’m not as convinced.  

Edited November 10, 2021 by deerslayer

[Grayfox54]

I carry a Streamlight Microstream in my pocket every day. You'd be surprised at how useful it is and how often in gets used. 

 

[Capbyrd]

1 hour ago, deerslayer said:

Yes I carry a small pocket knife and they are occasionally quite handy.  I don’t carry a Bowie or karambit.  I do carry a more fighting-oriented fixed blade when running, but am otherwise unarmed. 
 

Lights are useful for daily life?  Sure.  I always have one in the truck.  Useful and required carry gear for fighting bad guys encountered during my daily routine?  I’m not as convinced.  

I could make the argument that none of it is "required."   But I'm going to give myself the best chance that I can for the situations that may arise.  

One that I can give off the top of my head is leaving a store at 11pm and locking up out the door on the dark side of the building.   One of us always has a light out scanning. 

 

[Ronald_55]

1 hour ago, Grayfox54 said:

I carry a Streamlight Microstream in my pocket every day. You'd be surprised at how useful it is and how often in gets used. 

 

I lost my EDC Olight I3T recently. I have went to pull it out of my packet multiple times every day since. From looking under desks to walking the dog, it comes in handy. Hoping to hold out for a good Black Friday deal to buy a few replacements. 

[Murgatroy]

Since we went off topic, I carry a Streamlight Stylus Pro EDC as well as a Gerber Crucial. I would feel naked without them. They each get used multiple times a day.

[bobsguns]

Getting back ON topic, I noticed the selling prices on GB have come down some. I saw multiple bids in the $850-ish range, only one in the $1k range. 

No clue what the gun shops are selling them at though.