Are forced reset triggers actually legal and for how long?

[MemphisStuck]

https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15-br

They're currently in stock on the waitlist link above but I'm not sold on how they're legal. I've been emailing back and forth with manufacturer, my first hang up was the spring issues people were bitching about all over youtube but apparently that was fixed back in March and new triggers don't have the same thing going on with them.

I'm still left wondering how they are even legal and am looking for feedback.

[Chucktshoes]

As the law currently sits, they are legal because they do require a separate pull of the trigger for each round fired. As far as how long, who knows. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[Grayfox54]

Bear in mind who is in the white house and BATF's  tendency to make their own rules. I don't expect these triggers to last long once they get on the radar. But who knows when the powers that be will notice them? 

[MemphisStuck]

https://www.rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-15-br bit the bullet this morning and already got tracking!  those dude's ain't playing haha

[Grunt67]

On 6/20/2021 at 2:09 PM, Grayfox54 said:

Bear in mind who is in the white house and BATF's  tendency to make their own rules. I don't expect these triggers to last long once they get on the radar. But who knows when the powers that be will notice them? 

Agree. Seems to be the same or similar principle as the bump stock.

Matter of time before the knock on the door.

[MemphisStuck]

5 minutes ago, Grunt67 said:

Agree. Seems to be the same or similar principle as the bump stock.

Matter of time before the knock on the door.

I mean yeah, but no.  Bump stock ban got overturned, and even when it was still active, I'm unaware of a single knock from the million plus slidefire sold, are you?  The only arrest I heard about, the atf actually told the local prosecutor to release the guy because it wouldn't stand up

[Grunt67]

2 hours ago, MemphisStuck said:

I mean yeah, but no.  Bump stock ban got overturned, and even when it was still active, I'm unaware of a single knock from the million plus slidefire sold, are you?  The only arrest I heard about, the atf actually told the local prosecutor to release the guy because it wouldn't stand up

I haven't kept up with the bump stock, except what was on the news. My wonder is how the current adm. will look at it.  Hopefully, not.

[MemphisStuck]

Just now, Grunt67 said:

I haven't kept up with the bump stock, except what was on the news. My wonder is how the current adm. will look at it.  Hopefully, not.

agreed completely, current admin looks at 99% of stuff and we're all FUBAR

[MemphisStuck]

case in point: https://www.primaryarms.com/atf-proposal-2021r05

[Alleycat72]

5 minutes ago, MemphisStuck said:

case in point: https://www.primaryarms.com/atf-proposal-2021r05

Well for cost plus $50 I'll order one for you so there's no paper trail.

[MemphisStuck]

22 minutes ago, alleycat72 said:

Well for cost plus $50 I'll order one for you so there's no paper trail.

oh no, I already ordered one, don't care about paper trails haha.  Like I said, was never a single door knock from slidefire's customer records after the bumpstock ban, I don't play the paranoid game.

[MemphisStuck]

anybody else feels the same, they're back in stock: FRT-15 - Rare Breed Triggers

[gregintenn]

I want a full report once you get it installed and running.

[MemphisStuck]

It has arrived!  Not run it yet, but I'll update as soon as I get range time.  Just doing a function check gave me a massive freedom boner.  Also ordered a t3 buffer at the same time.

[gregintenn]

Am I gonna have to haul some ammo to Memphis and try this thing out??!!??

[MemphisStuck]

Range report!  FIrst, they're back in stock on the waitlist link only (FRT-15 - Rare Breed Triggers), not the home page.  Second, tried it in a dd mk18 upper with a t3 buffer and it ran freaking insanely fast.  On an Aero m4 upper, seemed slower.  Not one issue, squeezed as hard as I could trying to replicate that issue from the youtube video and simply couldn't get it to anything except empty the mag.  D60 drained in under 5 seconds with both setups.  Whatever they modified on the trigger for these newer ones must have cleared the problem up---or the problem wasn't that big of a problem.  I happy as a pig in poo

[gregintenn]

Thanks for the report. Looks like I now have something else to pizz away money on.

[Chucktshoes]

The question of how long has an answer.

 

[Garufa]

1 hour ago, Chucktshoes said:

The question of how long has an answer.

 

Well, there you have it, yet they are still available.

Isn’t there something missing from that document @Chucktshoes, like a signature?  Not doubting its veracity, but still.

Regardless of protocol re: documents, there is something going on here...

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/atf-determines-that-the-rare-breed-frt-15-trigger-is-a-machine-gun/#axzz73TBMDUAq

Edited August 14, 2021 by Garufa

[Chucktshoes]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

Well, there you have it, yet they are still available.

Isn’t there something missing from that document @Chucktshoes, like a signature?  Not doubting its veracity, but still.

Regardless of protocol re: documents, there is something going on here...

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/atf-determines-that-the-rare-breed-frt-15-trigger-is-a-machine-gun/#axzz73TBMDUAq

It is a fluid and evolving situation. The owner of the company is also the lawyer. He’s been preparing for this since day one. Here is the initial response.
 

 

I’m pretty sure he’s gonna try and take this all the way up. It seems like he’s spoiling for a chance to kick the ATF in the dick. I’m sure it goes without saying, but I hope like hell he wins. 

[Chucktshoes]

[Garufa]

And their customers might just have to take it up the Whooo!  

[Chucktshoes]

Maybe. Either way, I believe it to be a fight worth fighting. 

[Snaveba]

I want to know where binary triggers are going to land in this debate. 

[Chucktshoes]

1 hour ago, Snaveba said:

I want to know where binary triggers are going to land in this debate. 

Which ever way it goes, they’re going along for the ride.