ATF notice of proposed rule change AR pistols

[partypilot1]

Looks like it’s more than braces. Any AR pistol with a barrel over 7” would be a SBR due to overall length.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/atf-released-new-proposed-pistol-brace-rules/

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces

 

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by partypilot1

[Moped]

So glad I didn't buy into that particular craze.  I almost did a couple of years ago, but felt like something like this would come along.

[Danger Rane]

44 minutes ago, Moped said:

So glad I didn't buy into that particular craze.  I almost did a couple of years ago, but felt like something like this would come along.

With that logic it’s amazing that you are into guns at all .

[mikegideon]

6 hours ago, Danger Rane said:

With that logic it’s amazing that you are into guns at all .

Count me into that. So, a gun owner can't anticipate our ####ty government acting the way they always act? Doesn't mean I agree with them. I just saw it coming. Bump stocks too.

[Johnny Rotten]

9 hours ago, partypilot1 said:

Looks like it’s more than braces. Any AR pistol with a barrel over 7” would be a SBR due to overall length.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/06/atf-released-new-proposed-pistol-brace-rules/

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces

 

 

Lucky me, mine is 6.9" and not 7" 

[Quavodus]

I don't even have a AR. 

[mikegideon]

3 hours ago, Quavodus said:

I don't even have a AR. 

I have a buttload of them. No short barrels and no bump stocks. I really liked the pistol brace idea, but always viewed it as low hanging fruit.

[Daniel]

21 hours ago, mikegideon said:

I have a buttload of them. No short barrels and no bump stocks. I really liked the pistol brace idea, but always viewed it as low hanging fruit.

I really couldnt believe they ever said they were kosher.  

[mikegideon]

15 minutes ago, Daniel said:

I really couldnt believe they ever said they were kosher.  

I couldn't either. The only thing I knew for sure was they could flip their ruling any time they felt like it.

[btq96r]

The cheaky bastards got creative this time.  A means test that's designed to rule you own an SBR...sneaky concept.  Of course, creating a legal SBR that bypassed the NFA process was absolutely the point of these braces from the get go. 

The biggest loss locally will be in truck guns.  Having an AR, AK, or PCC for that role will be looked back upon as the salad days of gun ownership.

 

[partypilot1]

I suppose the next proposed rule will be the “assault rifle”. Features and furniture will make it an NFA. 

[Moped]

19 minutes ago, partypilot1 said:

I suppose the next proposed rule will be the “assault rifle”. Features and furniture will make it an NFA. 

Sadly, I see that coming.

[turkeydad]

I have two braces. One on a shockwave and an AK-V. I'll put my comments on it and see what happens. I don't think it will get much traction right now...but I do believe they will eventually get them.

[Hozzie]

Or just SBR them from the get go and don't worry about it.  The amount of money and time most spend bitching about it, they could just get a stamp and be done with it.   This isn't a statement on if we should need stamps to start with simply that it isn't that hard or expensive to just get one.

[Dirtshooter]

And let no-one forget the BATFE don't make laws, their"rules" mean absolutely nothing to a lawful gunowner!!! Laws are made and passed by Congress not the BATFE

[mikegideon]

1 hour ago, Hozzie said:

Or just SBR them from the get go and don't worry about it.  The amount of money and time most spend bitching about it, they could just get a stamp and be done with it.   This isn't a statement on if we should need stamps to start with simply that it isn't that hard or expensive to just get one.

Yeah, with a whole buttload of restrictions. There's a reason I don't have any NFA items either. Has nothing to do with the 200 bucks.

[Alleycat72]

Open up the registry for new machineguns and we'll call it even. I'll hold my breath. 

[leroy]

This whole thing is nothin but more weaponized gubt intrusion used as a cudgel to punish gunowners for wrongthink.  Ya have pistol rules now.  These bast#!$s are tryin to change existing rules to punish that wrongthink.  It's another proof of the need to sweep the ATF and the " Injustice " Department clean. Welcome to the era of weaponized lawfare...

leroy...

[Hozzie]

7 minutes ago, leroy said:

Welcome to the era of weaponized lawfare...

leroy...

This has been going on since the beginning of time.  They just acquire a new target depending on the day.  I do like the term as it succinctly states the reality. 

[mikegideon]

11 minutes ago, Hozzie said:

This has been going on since the beginning of time.  They just acquire a new target depending on the day.  I do like the term as it succinctly states the reality. 

Yep. Government can be real harmful. Caution is advised.

[JayC]

I suspect much like the bump stock ban, the 6th and other rational district(s) will block this from taking effect. 

It clearly has no basis in the law.

Edited June 11, 2021 by JayC

[Blitzen]

I have put in some comments asking for ruling to be withdrawn. Maybe if they get enough it might help. A mute point at this time if you have a braced weapon or not. This ruling is a serious hit on the 2nd Amendment and is only the beginning. Much more so than the previous Bump Stock ruling. I always regretted not writing my elected representatives, ATF and the President on that one even though personally I did not think much of Bump Stocks.

[turkeydad]

They are just following up on Sleepy Joe's executive actions. I think they will back right off if there is sufficient negative backlash, which if we do our job there will be.

[Omega]

Let them know what you think, EVERY gun owner needs to send a comment, whether you like/use braces or not, not like some did for the bump-stocks and side with the ATF.

https://www.gunowners.org/action/?vvsrc=%2fcampaigns%2f86078%2frespond

[Garufa]

at the optimism and short memory of gun owners. 

If the ATF decides a gun is this, that, or the other, it is law until the courts decide otherwise. 

Bump stock ban...direct order of DJT.

This new proposal is a quagmire designed for one thing and one thing only.  Read the grading proposal.  

Congress has nothing to do with it and when the obligatory public comments are dismissed then the new regulation takes effect.  It will carry the weight of law.

Edited June 12, 2021 by Garufa