870 break

[memphismason]

Y'all be sure and inspect your gear often. I bought this shotgun used from a friend about 8 years ago. He took it through Fighting Shotgun at Tactical Response and pretty much put it away. I bought it, test fired it, and put it away. I really got into training the last 4 years and have taken a lot of pistol classes and decided it was time to do some shotgun training. I took this shotgun through Fighting Shotgun this past February and then this week through Mastering the Shotgun at Top Gun in Memphis. In this class is where I noticed the crack. I have already got a new barrel thanks to another TGO member, but still wanted to share. 

[Quavodus]

Never saw one break at that spot but, did see one break where it meets the bottom of barrel.

[memphismason]

5 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

Never saw one break at that spot but, did see one break where it meets the bottom of barrel.

Yup same here. Breaking at the weld is much more common.

[xtriggerman]

Thats an interesting break for sure. It looks like a crystalline break. If it's a factory screw up, the ring would be harder than it should be. Maybe you can take a good sharp file and see if it makes an easy cut on the edge by the crack. If it just glances off without cutting some metal off, Its a factory defect. The red color tells me its a casting since the lost wax process of casting puts a fine amount of silicone in the casted surface and hence the redish color. The rings are silver soldered on and that takes around 2000 deg to get a good flow between the parts. If the part was cooled too quickly it would exceed its required Rockwell hardness and be on the brittle side. The file trick is a basic indicator if you dont happen to have a Rockwell C testor in your garage...   Another thing folks do is tighten the cap with plyers. Not a good idea.  I had an 870 as a duty shotgun for 18 years and by the numbers, your "supposed to" all ways test the cap for tight with fingers only at each shift rotation. Too tight a cap and expanding barrel heat can create undue stress on the ring and weld. To bad Rem went belly up..... I would have sent it back to see if you would have gotten a free bee.

[Garufa]

It’s starting to come apart on the other side as well.

[leroy]

Interestin...  Never seen one do that...

leroy...

[memphismason]

21 hours ago, xtriggerman said:

Thats an interesting break for sure. It looks like a crystalline break. If it's a factory screw up, the ring would be harder than it should be. Maybe you can take a good sharp file and see if it makes an easy cut on the edge by the crack. If it just glances off without cutting some metal off, Its a factory defect. The red color tells me its a casting since the lost wax process of casting puts a fine amount of silicone in the casted surface and hence the redish color. The rings are silver soldered on and that takes around 2000 deg to get a good flow between the parts. If the part was cooled too quickly it would exceed its required Rockwell hardness and be on the brittle side. The file trick is a basic indicator if you dont happen to have a Rockwell C testor in your garage...   Another thing folks do is tighten the cap with plyers. Not a good idea.  I had an 870 as a duty shotgun for 18 years and by the numbers, your "supposed to" all ways test the cap for tight with fingers only at each shift rotation. Too tight a cap and expanding barrel heat can create undue stress on the ring and weld. To bad Rem went belly up..... I would have sent it back to see if you would have gotten a free bee.

Yup only hand tight for me.

 

I sent the new Remington an email. I wasn't expecting much, but it was worth a try. Their response was exactly what I figured it would be and I totally understand. 

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ST		Store Name		Address		Phone / Fax
AK		Wild West Guns		7100 Homer Drive Anchorage, AK 99518		Phone:907-344-4500 Fax:    907-344-4005
AZ		Sprague's Sports Inc		345 W 32nd St                Yuma, AZ 85364		Phone: 928-726-0022 FAX: 928-344-4708
CA		J & G Gunsmithing		7680 Barton Rd. Granite Bay, CA 95746		Phone:916-786-9200 Fax: 916-772-1932
FL		Higher Power Outfitters INC		1826 Tamiami Trail, Punta Gorda, FL 33950		Phone: 941-347-8445 Fax 941-347-8455
IA		Scheels All Sport		101 Jordan Creek Parkway West Des Moines, IA 50266		Phone:515-727-4065 Fax: 515-727-4162
IL		Mann & Son Sporting Goods		515 West Water Street Pinckneyville, IL 62274		Phone:618-357-2911 Fax: 618-357-3658
KY		Paducah Shooters Supply		3919 Cairo Road Paducah, KY 42001		Phone:270-442-3242 Phone:877-772-3006           Fax:270-442-5022
MI		Williams Gun Sight		7389 Lapeer Road/PO Box 329 Davison, MI 48423		Phone:800-530-9028 Phone:810-653-2131 Fax: 840-658-2140
MI		Dick Williams Gun Shop, Inc.		4985 Cole Road         Saginaw, MI 48601		Phone:989-777-1240 Fax: 989-777-8028
MN		Alhman's Inc.		9525 West 230th Street Morristown, MN 55052		Phone:  507-685-4244 Fax: 507-685-4280
NC		B&B Arms		9283 US HWY 220 Business N, Randleman, NC 27317		Phone: 336-339-3199
NV		Wild West Guns		5225 Wynn Rd, Las Vegas, NV 89118		Phone: 702-798-4570
NY		The Gunworks of Central New York		5366 State Route 31 Verona, NY 13478		Phone:315-363-7041 Fax: 315-363-1043
OK		Sports World		6841 East 41 Street  Tulsa, OK 74145		Phone:918-742-4027 Fax: 918-742-3981
OR		Allison & Carey Gunworks		17311 South East Stark Portland, OR 97233		Phone: 503-256-5166 No Fax
SC		Southland Gun Works, Inc.		1228 Harry Byrd Hwy Darlington, SC 29532		Phone:843-393-6291 Fax: 843-393-9995
SD		Scheels All Sport		2101 West 41st Street Sioux Falls, SD 57105		Phone:605-334-7767 Fax: 605-334-8936
VA		Triton Arms		7668 Peppers Ferry Rd, Max Meadows, VA 24360		Phone:276-620-8571
UT		Carter Gunsmithing		938 West Utah Ave     Payson  UT, 84651		801-465-7945

 

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[Dirtshooter]

The Remington brand used to mean quality. That hasn't been the case in several years. I won a 870 express magnum and was shocked to see in the warranty info it only had a 2 years warranty. There are lots of people that bash Hi-point, if you find one in a ditch it is fully under warranty for life. Plus you can call them and within about 4 rings a real American will answer and get you fixed up. Old Remmies good, newer Remmies not so good.