Amnesty bill

[Farman]

You'all want to hear some about some more stupid being put out by elected officials check this out. The link in the article is to a Lou Dobbs segment and at the bottom of the article the names of the idiots is listed.

Any familiar names?

http://tfsternsrantings.blogspot.com/2009/02/harry-reids-illegal-alien-amnesty-bill.html

[ukerduker]

This is truly amazing.

[Guest frankcostanza]

Sweet Jesus... And to think we're only about 30 days into the new administration. All this crap coming out of Washington lately would be hilarious if it wasn't reality

[zeitgeist]

I don't understand why we do not have a guest worker program?

I'm for a guest-worker program with no path to citizenship, so the people who come here have multiple-children at tax payer expense will no longer have golden eggs (ie: the 'birth right').

It's our fault really, we elect the people who support this. Both Republican & Democrat, hell Bush was screaming for his amnesty program. And lets not forget the multitude of programs we allow illegal aliens to qualify for -- welfare handouts, free health care even Americans do not receive, food stamps, etc etc -- it does not end.

We need to know who is in this country; and quite honestly, we let in far too many legally -- asylum seekers, refugees, etc. These people are a complete drain when we need the best and brightest. We are no longer capable of allowing the entire world to flood in unchecked.

Hell, I recently saw a newsreport about African refugees in Nashville. The people had been here for all over 48 hours and there was already a stabbing. Ridiculous.

[Guest Schwarzgebrannt]

Getting rid of illegals is just a bandaid. More will continue to come. We need to cauterize the weeping sore by "nationalizing" any businesses that sought out and used illegal alien labor.

We confiscate assets from drug dealers. (I disagree with the war on some drugs, however)

We should confiscate all assets from those who profit from illegals, and use the money to pay for the damage to our infrastructure.

Also, citizenship is a birthright and being a citizen by birth within the United States should not be done away with. Being born within the United States to a non-citizen mother, however, should not qualify as birthright citizenship. Enforced retroactively for the last ten years, this would clean up most of the problems left over after the above end-run solution.

Edited February 22, 2009 by Schwarzgebrannt

[Guest justme]

Getting rid of illegals is just a bandaid. More will continue to come. We need to cauterize the weeping sore by "nationalizing" any businesses that sought out and used illegal alien labor.

We confiscate assets from drug dealers. (I disagree with the war on some drugs, however)

We should confiscate all assets from those who profit from illegals, and use the money to pay for the damage to our infrastructure.

Also, citizenship is a birthright and being a citizen by birth within the United States should not be done away with. Being born within the United States to a non-citizen mother, however, should not qualify as birthright citizenship. Enforced retroactively for the last ten years, this would clean up most of the problems left over after the above end-run solution.

First, I think we should bring our military home from Korea, and from Iraq and Afghanistan and militarize the border area along Mexico and declare the border a militarized area and simply tell the Mexicans--you shall not pass this area unless you do so legally....

Second, I think we should turn the "war on drugs" into a real war.

I think what is happening with the "drug war" across the border in the Mexico border towns where the druggies are wreaking havoc could be settled with some good old fashioned force--shell the town, soften it up then move in the Marines, invade Mexico and restore order and give it back to the Mexicans and let them go about the task of rebuilding--because they obviously can't or won't control the drug heads themselves...there is nothing that says don't mess with us like carpet bombing the drug heads and sending in the Marines and the Infantry would...

Third, I agree--seize the assets of the businesses who hire illegals and put their owners in jail--or strip them of their citizenship and ship them to Mexico...

[Guest jackdog]

This sad but remember GWB was was for this same type crap and of course please do not leave out John McCain. No doubt this may pass. I think the demanding of the 9 and 10th amendment by the several states may be our only hope. Remember for years the Commi State of Kalifornia has thumbed there collective noses at all of the rest of the states and has become if not the largest one the largest sancuary states in the nation.

They are now 45 billion dollars upside down and will receive over 40 billion dollars from the stimulas package. Yup all of America will get to pay for their (Kalifornias) failed policies

[Guest NELSON]

I don't understand why we do not have a guest worker program?

I'm for a guest-worker program with no path to citizenship, so the people who come here have multiple-children at tax payer expense will no longer have golden eggs (ie: the 'birth right').

We do have guest worker programs. The H2-A and H2-B visas allow workers to come and work for a set period of time and then return. It sounds great untill you look at everything the athe employer has to provide. There has been a push to revise the program ever since it was started in the 80's. I guess they think Amnesty will be easier.

[Guest jackdog]

We do have guest worker programs. The H2-A and H2-B visas allow workers to come and work for a set period of time and then return. It sounds great until you look at everything the athe employer has to provide. There has been a push to revise the program ever since it was started in the 80's. I guess they think Amnesty will be easier.

Here is my big question. If the government is so woooooried about Americans losing their jobs. Why then has this same government not put the worker visa programs on a temporary hold. Why did congress not install E-verify into the Stimulus package, why are they letting run out. E-verify is 99.6% accurate and stops illegal aliens from getting work in this country.

The reason is pretty simple they flat don't give S**t about the american worker.

[Machman]

They always preach supply and demand.. Until it's on the labor side. Then they go out of their way to increase labor supply so as to drive down labor cost.

What we have now is a Nation of the Corporation, by the Corporation, and for the Corporation.

[zeitgeist]

Saw a sign coming back from the Nashville airport today. I think it was on 24 going south.

"11 million illegals in America, 11 million unemployed Americans."

Interesting.

[Guest jackdog]

Trouble with that sign is that there more like 25 million illegals here my many estimates.

[Guest jackdog]

Interesting reading about what is happening to the south of us.

Calderón: Mexico not a “failed” State

Posted: 27 Feb 2009 08:05 AM PST

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El Informador (Guadalajara, Jalisco) 2/26/09

“Calderón points out that Mexico is not a failed State”

(similarly titled articles appeared in a number of papers)

Sub-headlines follow:

“He deemed that such type of commentaries, besides being false, cause “tremendous harm” to Mexican authorities”

“The President warns that the United States ought to do a cleansing such as Mexico has done in its security agencies.”

President Felipe Calderón asserted Thursday that Mexico is not a failed state nor has it lost control of its territory at the hands of organized crime, as some American government reports have suggested.

Calderón, who from the start of his administration has declared open war against organized crime and narcotraffic, said that officials must be careful when issuing their reports.

He pointed out that his government has a complete strategy to combat organized crime including an operation to cleanse the country’s security agencies. He added that, due to that, “a good cleansing is needed on the other side of the border.”

Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora said in a separate interview Thursday that “Operation Cleansing” to do away with infiltration by narcotraffic into the Mexican government has now practically ended with the detention of around 25 high ranking officials and agents. Medina also acknowledged that violence linked to illegal drug traffic and organized crime has risen, reflected in around one thousand deaths so far in 2009. And the forecast is not better: violence is reaching its highest point, said the AG, Just in 2008 there were 6 thousand 290 homicides recorded.

Violence has increased in Mexico despite the assignment of 45 thousand soldiers all around the country to combat drug cartels.

Beheadings, attacks on police and shootouts in night spots and restaurants take place daily in many areas.

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La Hora (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 2/26/09

“Our own hell”, op/col by Hector Luna

When I read, hear or see communications media at least a minimal drop of depression enters my being; when I leave my house and watch the other drivers, the Emetra police, the needlessly created obstacles and to boot the thieves or killers who can approach in the motorcycles that pass me aggressively or in a car that can cut me off at any moment; when I hear gunshots or friends or acquaintances tell me how they have been affected by violence; when I know about those millionaires who insult with their ill-gotten riches, because they are known by all, including the authorities, to be narcotraffic or crime bosses; when the cadavers of children, women, men, older persons, appear in the nightmare of reality, assassinated by mara gangsters or some other type of criminals; when we know with certainty that millions are obtained thanks to corruption and to a system of justice that is no longer useful; when we convince ourselves by means of the events of daily life that this government and the others only sate themselves with power and money, I have the complete assurance that we have built our own hell and that it is not necessary (as some believe) that another worse one may exist after death.

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El Heraldo (Tegucigalpa, Honduras) 2/26/09

“Undeniable violence flogs all Honduras”

The blood bath began Tuesday night, and the report covers the homicide of at least ten persons, four in the area around the capital city and the rest in different cities of Honduran territory. Three of the victims, 20, 23 ad 15 years of age, were together when they were forcibly carried off by ten masked men. They were later found, dumped, tied and shot several times, including a coup de grace.

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Prensa Libre (Guatemala City, Guatemala) 2/26/09

* Armed assaults on buses are a common occurrence in Guatemala; this year, the 17th bus driver has now been murdered during a holdup. Two other persons were wounded.

* A “latest news” item reports that a shootout Thursday evening in Huehuetenango has resulted in two gang members dead, and three National Police and one other person wounded.

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El Economista (Mexico City) 2/26/09

59,348 vehicles were stolen in Mexico in 2008, according to a report by Mexico’s Insurance Co, Association. This figure is the highest in ten years. The largest number took place in Mexico City and its surrounding State of Mexico. 34% of vehicle thefts were “carried out with violence.”

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El Diario (Ciudad Juarez, Chihuahua) 2/26/09

* On Wednesday, bomb threats brought about the closing and evacuation for several hours of Juarez’ airport and the federal courthouse in Juarez. A third bomb threat also caused the closing of the Paso del Norte international border crossing between El Paso and Juarez.

All this took place while Mexico’s top level National Security Cabinet was meeting at a heavily guarded hotel in Juarez; that meeting was also attended by the governor of Chihuahua and the mayor of Juarez.

* Elsewhere in the state, three bullet-riddled bodies were found in Chihuahua City, three more in Delicias, while another man was the victim of an AK47 car-to-car attack, also in Chihuahua City. And in Juarez, two lifeless bodies: the remains of one of them consisted only of a half buried leg and arm. And a shootout with kidnappers in the Galeana section of town left a policeman on the brink of death.

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El Financiero (Mexico City) 2/26/09

Fernando Gomez Montt, Mexico’s Secretary of Government, announced that the federal government will send five thousand more soldiers “exclusively” to Ciudad Juarez to reinforce the combat against criminality on the border.

“El Universal” (also Mexico City) added that 1,000 federal agents will also be sent to Juarez, which will mean a total of 7,500 soldiers and around 1,500 federal agents. The Secretary of Government said that they are going to expel organized crime from Juarez,

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El Porvenir (Monterrey, Nuevo Leon) 2/26/09

* When a married couple in their vehicle was stopped by marked police units of the town of Salinas Victoria, the police ordered the man to step out, apparently to kidnap him for ransom. The man’s family had previously been victims of kidnapping by the police, so he refused. When he did so, a policeman reached into the car and took a three year old with him.

The couple went to a nearby military facility and related the events. The military responded, found the marked units, the police and the child. Seven police officers were arrested. This is the fifth time that police officers of that city have been involved in criminal acts including assaults, violent robbery, kidnapping and drug traffic. (Salinas Victoria is just north of Monterrey)

* Germany has now joined the U.S. and has issued a travelers’ warning to its citizens about visiting Mexico.

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El Sur (Acapulco, Guerrero) 2/26/09

Around the state of Guerrero: a man was executed in Arcelia, three others in Ajuchitlan with coup de grace shots, and three more in the hills of Coyuca de Catalan. The tally may not be complete: local residents around Zirandaro reported a shootout Tuesday night, and police then found six abandoned and shot vehicles, one of them burned, plus shell casings and blood stains. Locals reported five dead and three wounded, though no victims had been found.

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La Jornada (Mexico City) 2/26/09

In an SUV at a department store parking lot in Iztapalapa, a suburb of Mexico City: three men, tied, each with a plastic bag in his mouth, each also the victim of a coup de grace shot.

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[Guest Schwarzgebrannt]

Furthermore, we should list every business owner who hires illegals.

They all need to be outed, named, and shamed, every last one.

They need to know that their home address is available to the people who get hit and runs from drunk illegals, to those who had a relative assaulted, to the roofers and workers who can't get jobs because greedy contractors would rather avoid taxes and foist job injuries on the local emergency rooms.

Fear is a tool and it should never be left out of any toolbox.

[Guest jackdog]

Furthermore, we should list every business owner who hires illegals.

They all need to be outed, named, and shamed, every last one.

They need to know that their home address is available to the people who get hit and runs from drunk illegals, to those who had a relative assaulted, to the roofers and workers who can't get jobs because greedy contractors would rather avoid taxes and foist job injuries on the local emergency rooms.

Fear is a tool and it should never be left out of any toolbox.

These people have no shame. It is about profit first.