Teacher Spying on Student

[xsubsailor]

This makes my blood boil. 

 I'm not one that normally thinks of law suits but I believe this would change my mind if it happened to me and my child. (This was back in June)

A Baltimore County, Md., fifth-grader got a visit from the police after his teacher called to report that she had seen a BB gun on the wall behind the student during a class video call.

The principal and the teacher cited a rule stating that students may not bring guns to school and claimed it extended to virtual classes as well, Sperry said, adding that the school handbook does not address rules for virtual learning at all.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2020/06/11/teacher-spying-on-student-during-virtual-class-sends-cops-to-search-11-year-olds-home-after-spotting-a-bb-gun-n518679

Edited August 20, 2020 by xsubsailor

[The Big Guy]

3 minutes ago, xsubsailor said:

This makes my blood boil. 

 I'm not one that normally thinks of law suits but I believe this would change my mind if it happened to me and my child. (This was back in June)

A Baltimore County, Md., fifth-grader got a visit from the police after his teacher called to report that she had seen a BB gun on the wall behind the student during a class video call.

The principal and the teacher cited a rule stating that students may not bring guns to school and claimed it extended to virtual classes as well, Sperry said, adding that the school handbook does not address rules for virtual learning at all.

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2020/06/11/teacher-spying-on-student-during-virtual-class-sends-cops-to-search-11-year-olds-home-after-spotting-a-bb-gun-n518679

She's a good comrade doing what comrades do best; use rules in new ways to punish people she disagrees with.

I agree. That would piss me off as a parent too. 

[A.J. Holst]

Either PJ or Gateway Pundit, NYC teachers calling the cops for students missing zoom classes.

 

[hipower]

I just had a strong hunch this virtual school/video teaching was going to be a big mess.

I was thinking along the same lines. Giving anyone a video access to me or my home is not going to happen! At least not voluntarily!

I don't have a desktop or a laptop with a video camera and don't want one. I just don't care for the idea of my fat butt being exposed to all while I'm online. 

Heck I had a cow the other day when a link told me about the Covid Tracker that Microsoft and Android had cooked up.

Doesn't sound too upsetting...right?

Well how about the fact that it was automatically installed in my Samsung phone without my knowledge? Go to Settings, then Goole settings I believe it was, and check. It's there. Sure has an on/off slide on it. But do you really think anyone that would add this wouldn't be slick enough to make it appear you had turned it off? 

Edited August 20, 2020 by hipower

[peejman]

My job requires me to photograph various things and provide them to our customer.  I've learned to be cognizant of what's in the background, be that a plumber's crack or proprietary tools. 

This teacher needs to learn to mind her own business, and the child's parent need to learn to set up a screen or put the child's back to a blank wall. 

[Moped]

11 hours ago, hipower said:

I just had a strong hunch this virtual school/video teaching was going to be a big mess.

I was thinking along the same lines. Giving anyone a video access to me or my home is not going to happen! At least not voluntarily!

I don't have a desktop or a laptop with a video camera and don't want one. I just don't care for the idea of my fat butt being exposed to all while I'm online. 

Heck I had a cow the other day when a link told me about the Covid Tracker that Microsoft and Android had cooked up.

Doesn't sound too upsetting...right?

Well how about the fact that it was automatically installed in my Samsung phone without my knowledge? Go to Settings, then Goole settings I believe it was, and check. It's there. Sure has an on/off slide on it. But do you really think anyone that would add this wouldn't be slick enough to make it appear you had turned it off? 

Yes, it's on mine and no I didn't download it.  It does say that in order to turn it on, I have to install a participating app.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Moped

[hipower]

7 minutes ago, peejman said:

My job requires me to photograph various things and provide them to our customer.  I've learned to be cognizant of what's in the background, be that a plumber's crack or proprietary tools. 

This teacher needs to learn to mind her own business, and the child's parent need to learn to set up a screen or put the child's back to a blank wall. 

With the mindset that many of our teachers have today, being as brainwashed as many of our other young people by the NEA, the likelyhood of that happening is pretty low.

So parents are still the protectors of the children.

[gregintenn]

The prospect of getting the hell beat out of one’s self has been largely negated by our legal system and society in general. Some folks still need a good azz whoopin’.

This would cure a lot of our present day societal ills.

[Grayfox54]

[hipower]

36 minutes ago, Moped said:

Yes, it's on mine and no I didn't download it.  It does say that in order to turn it on, I have to install a participating app.

Between the trackers we willingly install on our vehicles in the name of saving on insurance, the GPS trackers in our cell phones, the chip readers in our debit and credit cards(that can do a multitude of things besides allow you to purchase items), and the very real push for card only transactions these days; it's very hard not to be getting unsettled by the tracking of our daily lives. The removal of cash in purchases removes(in more known term to this community) "ghost" purchases. Not one thing you buy will be missed. Anything, anytime, anywhere can and will be seen.

Don't believe in it? Look at England's CCTV system. Works pretty well it seems. Enough so that a network like it is being established here, linking all those security cameras on the streets from "private" business protection, the speeding ticket camera, even our own personal security camera systems that we willingly had over access to the security companies who "guard" our property.

Privacy? If we ever truly had it, we seem to have gladly given it away. 

Fighting "Big Brother" and George Orwell's 1984? Heck we made it and we liked it coming!

Back on the cashless society that my late father-in-law talked about 30 plus years ago. Frank said we'd never see it in his lifetime. Within a few years he had a debit and cred card in his wallet for everything.

Cash is being shunned today in our lives. It's dirty. It has germs on it. Cash leads to spreading Corona. We've had everything from blood and human wastes, cocaine and heroin, and other chemical residues on our currency for decades. But now it's not safe?

And while I'm on a roll here, what about the ads on FB and other social media sites? You've seen them I'm sure. Which ones? Those promoting giving children debit cards. What?

Oh it's just to teach them how to manage money. Give me a break! Or a smack on the jaw if you think I'm a bit over the edge on paranoia today.

Every move you make is being watched today. We are being led in a very specific direction. One that leads to total overwatch of our lives and actions.

And we are happily and willingly embracing it.

Ok. Done for now. Do you see what association with all you "right wing gun totin' terrorists" has done to me? I used to be a calm and quiet sort of guy. But I've embraced all the EOTWAWKI theories with wide eyes and open arms! LOL

Now all this has been a bit tongue-in-cheek. Sort of.  Well, Maybe.

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by hipower

[hipower]

Just now, Grayfox54 said:

I love it! 

[E4 No More]

11 hours ago, hipower said:

I just had a strong hunch this virtual school/video teaching was going to be a big mess.

I was thinking along the same lines. Giving anyone a video access to me or my home is not going to happen! At least not voluntarily!

I don't have a desktop or a laptop with a video camera and don't want one. I just don't care for the idea of my fat butt being exposed to all while I'm online. 

Heck I had a cow the other day when a link told me about the Covid Tracker that Microsoft and Android had cooked up.

Doesn't sound too upsetting...right?

Well how about the fact that it was automatically installed in my Samsung phone without my knowledge? Go to Settings, then Goole settings I believe it was, and check. It's there. Sure has an on/off slide on it. But do you really think anyone that would add this wouldn't be slick enough to make it appear you had turned it off? 

1. You have to install another specific app for it to work.

2. If you don't root your Android there isn't much risk.

[hipower]

33 minutes ago, E4 No More said:

1. You have to install another specific app for it to work.

2. If you don't root your Android there isn't much risk.

Okay.

[E4 No More]

1 hour ago, hipower said:

Okay.

Also, I forgot to add that you shouldn't download apps from anywhere other than Google Play Store unless you vet them well. Google does some screening of the apps submitted for the store, but 3rd parties do not. A lot of free apps include spyware written by the developer to sell information to another party. 

The safest phones are Windows and Apple, but they are more restrictive too unless you jailbreak the Apple which defeats security.

[Chucktshoes]

10 minutes ago, E4 No More said:

Also, I forgot to add that you shouldn't download apps from anywhere other than Google Play Store unless you vet them well. Google does some screening of the apps submitted for the store, but 3rd parties do not. A lot of free apps include spyware written by the developer to sell information to another party. 

The safest phones are Windows and Apple, but they are more restrictive too unless you jailbreak the Apple which defeats security.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Google is a legitimately evil corporation. More so than most. They refuse to work with the us.mil yet will happily work with Chinese government to develop algorithms that are used to clamp down on dissenters. Apple may not be great, but #### Google. 

[Omega]

27 minutes ago, E4 No More said:

Also, I forgot to add that you shouldn't download apps from anywhere other than Google Play Store unless you vet them well. Google does some screening of the apps submitted for the store, but 3rd parties do not. A lot of free apps include spyware written by the developer to sell information to another party. 

The safest phones are Windows and Apple, but they are more restrictive too unless you jailbreak the Apple which defeats security.

Only owned one apple phone some years back, a 4s I think, anyway jail broke it on the 1st day.  I will take care of my own security, and will turn on a hotspot if I want to, which is why I had to jail break it.  I now own an android, and without having to jail break it I can install apps from outside the official sources, which I do from time to time.

[E4 No More]

16 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

I’ve come to the conclusion that Google is a legitimately evil corporation. More so than most. They refuse to work with the us.mil yet will happily work with Chinese government to develop algorithms that are used to clamp down on dissenters. Apple may not be great, but #### Google. 

Well, yeah, they're all about the money like any publicly-traded company. They mostly exist to harvest information from you and sell it to another party. Once my Android Note 8 wears out, I am seriously considering moving to either Apple or Windows. I had an iPhone before and didn't like it because I couldn't hear anything. Big head doesn't use small phones very well.  

[E4 No More]

6 minutes ago, Omega said:

Only owned one apple phone some years back, a 4s I think, anyway jail broke it on the 1st day.  I will take care of my own security, and will turn on a hotspot if I want to, which is why I had to jail break it.  I now own an android, and without having to jail break it I can install apps from outside the official sources, which I do from time to time.

Like I said, as long as you vet those 3rd party apps then you're good. Most people aren't that tech savvy.

[DaveTN]

Unfortunately, too often a whole bunch of stupid all comes together at once. That was one of those times.

[DaveTN]

2 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

I’ve come to the conclusion that Google is a legitimately evil corporation. More so than most. They refuse to work with the us.mil yet will happily work with Chinese government to develop algorithms that are used to clamp down on dissenters. Apple may not be great, but #### Google. 

They are both terrible. Would google refuse to help in the investigation into the mass murder of Americans? Probably, but Apple has. I’d never own an Apple product. But I would have been more than happy to cuff and stuff Tim Cook.

[E4 No More]

37 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

They are both terrible. Would google refuse to help in the investigation into the mass murder of Americans? Probably, but Apple has. I’d never own an Apple product. But I would have been more than happy to cuff and stuff Tim Cook.

That was under Obama's administration, no? I would think that the feds would have some sort of "Hindering & Interfering" law that they could have enforced. I mean, after all, if lying isn't free speech then surely obstruction follows the same.

Edited August 20, 2020 by E4 No More

[Omega]

42 minutes ago, E4 No More said:

That was under Obama's administration, no? I would think that the feds would have some sort of "Hindering & Interfering" law that they could have enforced. I mean, after all, if lying isn't free speech then surely obstruction follows the same.

I'm no Apple fan, but I followed the story and kind of support their decision. The feds wanted a backdoor to the software that runs their phones, and Apple did not want to provide one.  You can't sell a product with an intentional security flaw.  I am sure they already had a means to get into the phone, but the feds didn't want to reveal that fact.  Was that before or after Snowden?

[Chucktshoes]

48 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

They are both terrible. Would google refuse to help in the investigation into the mass murder of Americans? Probably, but Apple has. I’d never own an Apple product. But I would have been more than happy to cuff and stuff Tim Cook.

The feds wanted them to break their encryption and give them a back door that would have allowed them to break anyone’s iPhone at will. That backdoor would have created and insecurity that would have allowed any two bit hacker in. 
 

Make no mistake, the feds can break into your phone if they want to. They eventually broke into the same phones you mention. Apple just isn’t setting the precedent that they’ll compromise everyone’s security without a warrant. 

[bersaguy]

That is why I still use a 15 year old Cricket Phone and I can talk on it and text on it just fine for $25.00 a month unlimited!!

I had one of those smart phones for about a month on Sprint and when I realized it was smarter than me I gave it to my grandson and he is still using it I guess!!!

Edited August 20, 2020 by bersaguy

[E4 No More]

13 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:

The feds wanted them to break their encryption and give them a back door that would have allowed them to break anyone’s iPhone at will. That backdoor would have created and insecurity that would have allowed any two bit hacker in. 
 

Make no mistake, the feds can break into your phone if they want to. They eventually broke into the same phones you mention. Apple just isn’t setting the precedent that they’ll compromise everyone’s security without a warrant. 

They could have broken into it without giving the feds the code. That was just an excuse. You might find this interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law 

United States[edit]

The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution protects witnesses from being forced to incriminate themselves, and there is currently no law regarding key disclosure in the United States.^[37] However, the federal case In re Boucher may be influential as case law. In this case, a man's laptop was inspected by customs agents and child pornography was discovered. The device was seized and powered-down, at which point disk encryption technology made the evidence unavailable. The judge held that it was a foregone conclusion that the content exists since it had already been seen by the customs agents, Boucher's encryption password "adds little or nothing to the sum total of the Government's information about the existence and location of files that may contain incriminating information."^[38][39]

In another case, a district court judge ordered a Colorado woman to decrypt her laptop so prosecutors can use the files against her in a criminal case: "I conclude that the Fifth Amendment is not implicated by requiring production of the unencrypted contents of the Toshiba Satellite M305 laptop computer," Colorado U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn ruled on January 23, 2012.^[40] In Commonwealth v. Gelfgatt,^[41] the court ordered a suspect to decrypt his computer, citing exception to Fifth Amendment can be invoked because "an act of production does not involve testimonial communication where the facts conveyed already are known to the government...".^[42]

However, in United States v. Doe, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit ruled on 24 February 2012 that forcing the decryption of one's laptop violates the Fifth Amendment.^[43][44]

The Federal Bureau of Investigation may also issue national security letters that require the disclosure of keys for investigative purposes.^[45] One company, Lavabit, chose to shut down rather than surrender its master private keys due to the government wanting to spy on Edward Snowden's emails.

Since the summer of 2015, cases have been fought between major tech companies such as Apple over the regulation of encryption with government agencies asking for access to private encrypted information for law enforcement purposes. A technical report was written and published by MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, where Ronald Rivest, an inventor of RSA, and Harold Abelson, a computer science professor at MIT with others, explain the technical difficulties, including security issues that arise from the regulation of encryption or by making a key available to a third party for purposes of decrypting any possible encrypted information. The report lists scenarios and raises questions for policy makers. It also asks for more technical details if the request for regulating encryption is to be pursued further.^[46]

In 2019, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, in a ruling that only controls for that state's law, held that a suspect in a child pornography case could not be compelled to reveal his password, despite telling the police "“We both know what’s on there."^[47]