Ted Cruz and Oprah Winfrey !!!

[nightrunner]

1 hour ago, DaveTN said:

I was thinking exactly the same thing, as there were those that seemed okay with what he did. Was he a nutcase? Of course he was. Did no one listen to the tapes he made? He said he was driven by God. He then committed the ultimate sin. And during his rampage he tried to kill innocent people, even children at a library. Was he justified in being mad? Of course! was he justified in the violent action he took? Of course not.

Maybe I’m reading your responses wrong, if I am please forgive me, but you seem to be saying that the violence today is okay because it will force people to listen and force change. I don’t believe either of those things will happen. The divide will get worse, and only the weak will take a knee to the violence. The leaders of these liberal cities that stand by and allow this are the weak. At some point the strong will have had enough and will take these cities back and put these criminals in prison where they belong.

I agree with what you have said, except I don’t believe there will be 3 hot meals and cable tv provided for the criminals that have overrun the cities.

[DaveTN]

8 minutes ago, nightrunner said:

I agree with what you have said, except I don’t believe there will be 3 hot meals and cable tv provided for the criminals that have overrun the cities.

That may be. It would require a DA that will charge criminals. As we have seen; many jurisdictions do not have that right now. When people want the laws enforced, they will need to elect DA’s, Judges, Sheriff’s and city officials that will do that.

[The Big Guy]

3 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

That may be. It would require a DA that will charge criminals. As we have seen; many jurisdictions do not have that right now. When people want the laws enforced, they will need to elect DA’s, Judges, Sheriff’s and city officials that will do that.

Rockford, Illinois seems to be enforcing the law. Winnebago County state attorney Marilyn Hite Ross isn't messing around. If a protest begins committing crimes she's charging them, as she should. 

[DaveTN]

23 minutes ago, crake said:

Rockford, Illinois seems to be enforcing the law. Winnebago County state attorney Marilyn Hite Ross isn't messing around. If a protest begins committing crimes she's charging them, as she should. 

Yes, but then there is this from Oct 2019....

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ROCKFORD — Winnebago County State’s Attorney Marilyn Hite Ross said Thursday that she will not seek election to the office after her term expires in December 2020.

She told the Register Star that there are “many opportunities out there for me” when asked what her next job might be. She will not seek any role with the state’s attorney’s office, she said. Hite Ross said she told staff on Thursday about her decision.

Hite Ross was appointed in December to serve out the term of Joseph Bruscato, who was elected as a judge. She is first woman and first black person to serve as county’s top prosecutor.

“It is my prayer that my successor maintains the integrity, professionalism, and commitment to justice that has been my priority during my tenure in the office,” Hite Ross said in a statement. “I have and will continue to execute my duties without partiality or favoritism to ensure that those who seek justice receive nothing less.”

Hite Ross joined the state’s attorney’s office in 2008.

https://www.rrstar.com/news/20191003/winnebago-county-states-attorney-marilyn-hite-ross-will-not-seek-election-after-term-expires-next-year

 

 

[The Big Guy]

1 hour ago, DaveTN said:

Yes, but then there is this from Oct 2019....

 

That's too bad. Thanks for sharing. Hopefully we'll see her pop up somewhere else. 

[Links2k]

On 8/6/2020 at 10:23 PM, crake said:

Interesting comparison. If the protests are like bulldozer man then they aren't peaceful and they aren't protests. We would have to call such protests something else. Maybe riots? Insurrection?

I don’t think it’s an insurrection. People are fed up, and a lot of Americans can’t relate to their plight.  Most people on TGO are working or retired.  Our biggest inconvenience is watching the protest on television. I know the protest caused some issues in Nashville, but surprisingly Memphis kept things pretty much under control. 

With the exception of what I embarrassingly call normal Memphis crime, the city has been relatively quiet for weeks. No major protest.  Now we have federal agents coming to “help” the police.  I believe that this action is a solution looking for a problem.  There is no one rioting in the streets of Memphis now, but I believe the arrival of the feds will change that.

Edited August 8, 2020 by Links2k

[Links2k]

5 hours ago, DaveTN said:

I was thinking exactly the same thing, as there were those that seemed okay with what he did. Was he a nutcase? Of course he was. Did no one listen to the tapes he made? He said he was driven by God. He then committed the ultimate sin. And during his rampage he tried to kill innocent people, even children at a library. Was he justified in being mad? Of course! was he justified in the violent action he took? Of course not.

Maybe I’m reading your responses wrong, if I am please forgive me, but you seem to be saying that the violence today is okay because it will force people to listen and force change. I don’t believe either of those things will happen. The divide will get worse, and only the weak will take a knee to the violence. The leaders of these liberal cities that stand by and allow this are the weak. At some point the strong will have had enough and will take these cities back and put these criminals in prison where they belong.

I’m not touching the part about God, because we could talk all day about atrocities committed by believers and followers of Christianity. 

Secondly, I don’t advocate violence during the protest.  There is another thread, or maybe this one where I mentioned that I would not support violent protest or protest after dark. I also mentioned that I would have no problem with the authorities arresting members of my group if they are out after dark when all of the trouble starts.  

You don’t have to believe that the protest will force change, but I’ll argue that they already have.  Cities are meeting with protest leaders, changing policies and looking at reallocating police funds to social programs. I think that’s a real of a start by a group of young people. 

I don’t believe the divide can be any larger than it already is.  We on this forum pride ourselves on our 2A rights believing that we will stand against a tyrannical government, but that’s a lie. People are in the streets exercising their first amendment rights and being attacked by government agents in the streets.  The 2A supporters are sitting on the couch pissed at the people exercising their rights, and cheering the government agents.

It seems like gun owners only gear up and stand up to the government when they are forced to quarantine, wear a mask or can’t go to Chilies.  The so-called strong that you mention aren’t going to do anything either, unless someone is actually trying to harm you or your family.  Their is a lot of liability involved with being a hero when your other option is to stay in and secure your home.

Finally, I intentionally used bulldozer man because he only destroyed property.  Had he injured anyone, I would have chosen a different example.

[The Big Guy]

24 minutes ago, Links2k said:

I don’t think it’s an insurrection. People are fed up, and a lot of Americans can’t relate to their plight.  Most people on TGO are working or retired.  Our biggest inconvenience is watching the protest on television. I know the protest caused some issues in Nashville, but surprisingly Memphis keep things pretty much under control. 

With the exception of what I embarrassingly call normal Memphis crime, the city has been relatively quiet for weeks. No major protest.  Now we have federal agents coming to “help” the police.  I believe that this action is a solution looking for a problem.  There is no one rioting in the streets of Memphis now, but I believe the arrival of the feds will change that.

I think a lot of people are fed up. That's why the US has had three "change" candidates the past 4 election cycles (including the one coming in November). I'm guessing a lot of people sense that there is something rotten in DC but they just can't place what it is, how deep it goes, but know that it's there.

It may be a distanced inconvenience, and I am grateful every day to be living in TN instead of a hell-hole like Portland, Oregon but it troubles me to see the national narrative set by clearly biased "news" sources that Antifa ins't much a problem, continuing to call these things protests even after they've become violent, not sharing videos that clearly show the violence coming from Antifa/BLM (I've watched it with my own two eyes) and politicians pretending that Antifa doesn't exist, or isn't organized, and instead talk of right-wing groups that are obviously keeping their heads down, and don't exist in numbers that would support the attention they get from them. Everything is upside down from that perspective given everything I have researched on my own. 

There are certainly tons of people that have real grievances and we should do what we can to help out, when we can, where we can. I think however, seeing how many of these protests are made up what appears to be urban white kids, several of whom I've seen on video brag about how educated they are (check twitter, youtube), that these protests are largely engineered by they indoctrination they received while getting their "job-ticket" at college. That to me is sick because there are people who need to be heard, causes that need to be marched for but it has been hijacked and slandered because of the actions of Antifa flying the BLM flag. As I have tried to say before, people are being taken advantage of over differences between groups, races, sex, etc. 

[Trekbike]

22 hours ago, Links2k said:

You want to know who really hates affirmative action/diversity hires...black people.  Because no matter what you bring to the table, someone is always going to think something was given to you.  

 

Thanks for sharing that comment since I've never thought of it in that light.    I guess that's the same issue that occurs with children take over "Daddy's family business".   No matter how qualified they are to be running the company, the employees usually have that negative attitude towards the kids.   

[JunkiCosmonaut]

38 minutes ago, Links2k said:

 

I don’t believe the divide can be any larger than it already is.  We on this forum pride ourselves on our 2A rights believing that we will stand against a tyrannical government, but that’s a lie. People are in the streets exercising their first amendment rights and being attacked by government agents in the streets.  The 2A supporters are sitting on the couch pissed at the people exercising their rights, and cheering the government agents.

 

I don't disagree with you necessarily, but this, i think is a strong oversimplification. the problem is that the people that are rioting are advocating for the complete overhaul of the american way of life which includes abolishing the second amendment to the constitution. These people see free speech as double speak for "Hate speech". They want a Stalin to become president, abolish private property, disarm the american public and institute a totalitarian regime that will enact violence on the public based on what they deem to be "fair and lawful". If you want a view of how they will treat minorities then look at how china treats minorities and you are looking into their vision for america. Right now its all about "equality", but it's really not, and the movers and shakers see those people that espouse those ideas as the useful idiots. They have the purpose of crippling and demoralizing american western society, but as soon as it is done they will be placed in the same body pit as everyone else. In fact probably sooner, because a lot of them have very few useful skills, people that can work for the party will at least be given the option by the party to put those skills to use for them; they however, wont be. I don'ft want to see this happen to anyone; therefore, I don't support ANTIFA, BLM, or any other group that espouses the idea that we should destroy what little bit of a free market we have and move closer to socialist/communist government and a command economy. Would you have them get their way? you speak often of people's experiences, experience guides you, but if you're not careful it can allow you to be lead by people who understand how to manipulate you if you're blind to what you're really following. If the media says something that outrages you go and look for other sources, go and dig. you might find that what you've been advertised is not what you have. 

[Links2k]

2 hours ago, Mseals22 said:

I don't disagree with you necessarily, but this, i think is a strong oversimplification. the problem is that the people that are rioting are advocating for the complete overhaul of the american way of life which includes abolishing the second amendment to the constitution. These people see free speech as double speak for "Hate speech". They want a Stalin to become president, abolish private property, disarm the american public and institute a totalitarian regime that will enact violence on the public based on what they deem to be "fair and lawful". If you want a view of how they will treat minorities then look at how china treats minorities and you are looking into their vision for america. Right now its all about "equality", but it's really not, and the movers and shakers see those people that espouse those ideas as the useful idiots. They have the purpose of crippling and demoralizing american western society, but as soon as it is done they will be placed in the same body pit as everyone else. In fact probably sooner, because a lot of them have very few useful skills, people that can work for the party will at least be given the option by the party to put those skills to use for them; they however, wont be. I don'ft want to see this happen to anyone; therefore, I don't support ANTIFA, BLM, or any other group that espouses the idea that we should destroy what little bit of a free market we have and move closer to socialist/communist government and a command economy. Would you have them get their way? you speak often of people's experiences, experience guides you, but if you're not careful it can allow you to be lead by people who understand how to manipulate you if you're blind to what you're really following. If the media says something that outrages you go and look for other sources, go and dig. you might find that what you've been advertised is not what you have. 

You make some good points, and it gives me something to think about.