HCP-related bills will be heard in House subcommittee next Wednesday.

[Guest colombianito1021]

Passed 7. *HB0716 by *Niceley. SB0976 by *Faulk.)

Handgun Permits - As introduced, allows any resident who has a valid handgun carry permit to possess a handgun while within the boundaries of any state park. - Amends TCA Title 39, Chapter 17, Part 13 and Title 70.

Summary exists for *HB0716

[Guest colombianito1021]

ill let you do the posting from now on strick J

[Guest GUTTERbOY]

Hmm,dont remember that one.

7. *HB0716 just passed(state park carry only) Dont really know why they need two bills with state parks included

hmm... makes me wonder if the bill that got rolled is just going to die... I mean, if they amend it like Sontany proposed, it seems like it'd be functionally similar to 0716...

[Fallguy]

Bills Passing: 0961, 0959, 0962, 0411, 0615, 0716, 0414, 0254, 0070 & 0516.

All other bills rolled one week.

[Oh Shoot]

hmm... makes me wonder if the bill that got rolled is just going to die... I mean, if they amend it like Sontany proposed, it seems like it'd be functionally similar to 0716...

Yeah.

I really wanted the parks bill to move along as originally planned.

The parks definitions include "bike trails"... EVERY permit holder should have right to carry on local bike trail.

- OS

[Fallguy]

hmm... makes me wonder if the bill that got rolled is just going to die... I mean, if they amend it like Sontany proposed, it seems like it'd be functionally similar to 0716...

Maybe the will amended like one of the others said, to allow each local government to decided.

Maybe something like to allow carry by default, but that each city or county government can prohibit carry in whatever park(s) they choose. Also to require a sign to be posted in parks where they want to prohibit carry.

That way a city/county could even allow carry within some parks under their control (bike trails, camping areas etc...) and prohibit in others (baseball fields, soccer fields, etc...).

Although I personally would like to see the bill pass in it's current form. But it seems it may not have the votes (and apparently not even the support of the sponsor) to allow carry in local parks. But with the way I proposed they could still decided for themselves?

EDIT: Sent an e-mail to all of the committee members with my suggestion.

Edited February 25, 2009 by Fallguy

[Fallguy]

I have heard back from Rep Sontany. She simply said thanks for the suggestion. But at least she did read it and reply back.

[Guest GLOCKGUY]

Does anybody have any idea when these bills will goto the floor for a vote? Thanks

[Fallguy]

Does anybody have any idea when these bills will goto the floor for a vote? Thanks

No real way of knowing right now.

[Guest GT_Rat]

Thanks guy. Wanna do me favor? When the coast is clear, just post it in big print:D

The whole judiciary process is the biggest bunch of codswhallop ever devised.

Not to hijack this thread, but a young man once had a conversation over politics with his sweetheart, that intrigues me. Not saying I want to see it, but it does have it's appeal.

Young man: We need a system of government, where the politicians sit down and discusses the problem, decide what's in the best interest of the people and then DO it.

Lady: That's exactly what we do, only everyone doesn't always agree

Young man:Then they should be made to.

Lord Vader would be pleased.

Good to hear some stuff is making headway.

[Guest tcampbell]

Does anybody have any idea when these bills will goto the floor for a vote? Thanks

Only and if they pass through the full Judiciary commitee will they be scheduled for a floor vote. At least the majority of them made it through sub committee today which is farther than any if most of them have made it so far. Most of the reps on the sub committee are also on the full committee. Once they make it through full committee, a floor vote will be scheduled and posted on the legislative site.

[Guest Linoge]

Maybe something like to allow carry by default, but that each city or county government can prohibit carry in whatever park(s) they choose. Also to require a sign to be posted in parks where they want to prohibit carry.

Speaking personally, I would really, really dislike that kind of plan. I mean, hell, it is hard enough to figure out where the borders of various parks are these days as it is... localities will forget to put up signs, one city will have one arrangement, and the next city over will have something entirely different, and can you honestly tell the difference between city, county, and state parks at all points of entry?

*sigh* This is probably the direction this particular bill is headed, but I am not happy about it.

[Guest crotalus01]

Personally I would sacrifice park carry for now to get restaurant carry, but thats mainly because I rarely go to parks - restaurant carry would be much more beneficial to me (although I would love to have both. Just saying if I had to pick one...).

[analog_kidd]

Yeah, my order of preference is Restaurant, State parks, then local parks. I eat out a lot, and we camp several times a year. Don't visit too many local parks.

I started feeling very vulnerable camping in a tent with no protection. I could sleep easier knowing I can legally carry there.

[Guest KWW67]

This is an update from the Tenessean. It looks like the parks bill might be in trouble.

http://tennessean.com/article/200902...MINjulO7Xik%3D

[Fallguy]

Speaking personally, I would really, really dislike that kind of plan. I mean, hell, it is hard enough to figure out where the borders of various parks are these days as it is... localities will forget to put up signs, one city will have one arrangement, and the next city over will have something entirely different, and can you honestly tell the difference between city, county, and state parks at all points of entry?

*sigh* This is probably the direction this particular bill is headed, but I am not happy about it.

I agree, it's not the best, but it would seem the alternative is going to be no carry in city/county parks period. At least this way you might could carry in those places. As far as signs go, that is why I suggest that signs would have to be posted to prohibit carry. Also, I think it is fairly easy to tell the difference between a state park and other parks by looking at the entrance sign.

But as I said...my first choice would be the bill as it was introduced, but doesn't look that will happen.

[analog_kidd]

This is an update from the Tenessean. It looks like the parks bill might be in trouble.

http://tennessean.com/article/200902...MINjulO7Xik%3D

This article refers to Eddie Bass as a "Prospect Democrat". This is the second time I've heard him labeled that. Anyone know what that means?

[Guest Linoge]

Also, I think it is fairly easy to tell the difference between a state park and other parks by looking at the entrance sign.

Well, my point is that a lot of accesses to parks are not through their defined entrances... I live right across the road from one, but you would never know if you did not go through its designated entrance half a mile down the road, whereas if I just walk across the street...?

Sure, you will know the ones in your region, but once we let localities define their own terms, we are just setting law-abiding citizens up for very painful falls.

Oh well. We do not make the laws... we just have to live by them.

[Fallguy]

Well, my point is that a lot of accesses to parks are not through their defined entrances... I live right across the road from one, but you would never know if you did not go through its designated entrance half a mile down the road, whereas if I just walk across the street...?

Sure, you will know the ones in your region, but once we let localities define their own terms, we are just setting law-abiding citizens up for very painful falls.

Oh well. We do not make the laws... we just have to live by them.

If it is a entrance to the park, whether it is the main one or not, then it should be posted if they want to prohibit carry.

But I guess it is just easier to leave it as illegal for local parks.

[Champ198]

This article refers to Eddie Bass as a "Prospect Democrat". This is the second time I've heard him labeled that. Anyone know what that means?

He's from Prospect TN. It's on his bio on the House web site.

[Guest Linoge]

If it is a entrance to the park, whether it is the main one or not...

Gah. I am sucking in my explations.

I am trying to describe a park surrounded by roads and sidewalks. I step off the sidewalk, I am in a park, even though there is no defined "entrance" for half a mile. What are you going to do? Put up signs every 50 feet?

It would be much easier to allow carry in all parks, and be done with it already.

[Fallguy]

Gah. I am sucking in my explations.

I am trying to describe a park surrounded by roads and sidewalks. I step off the sidewalk, I am in a park, even though there is no defined "entrance" for half a mile. What are you going to do? Put up signs every 50 feet?

It would be much easier to allow carry in all parks, and be done with it already.

I 100% agree...but I can almost 100% promise you that is not going to happen after watching the sub-committee meeting today. Even Rep Tidwell, the bills sponsor, said he meant to remove the wording about local parks from the bill.

So I was just trying to come up with some sort of alternative. But I do see your point that there are many ways to just step into a park and not necessarily through an "entrance". So not really sure what the answer is.

[Guest tcampbell]

This article refers to Eddie Bass as a "Prospect Democrat". This is the second time I've heard him labeled that. Anyone know what that means?

Eddie Bass is from Prospect, Tennessee.....the tennessean is just stupid...that's all.

It is kinda funny that he lives on bass rd though

Rep. Eddie Bass

D-Prospect

District 65 — Giles and Marshall Counties — Map

district address

1015 Bass Rd

Prospect, TN 38477

[Guest 270win]

The house speaker and some of these legislators need to walk through some parks in Memphis city limits or even Shelby Farms. Those places aren't as quaint and peaceful as a park in Franklin or Brentwood. They may rethink their opinion on parks if they spend some time at Nathan B Forrest Park or Overton Park. I'll just continue to follow the don't ask don't tell policy....the AG can't read his own law...which is for another discussion.

[Guest HexHead]

I'll take it in nibbles if I have to. Start with State parks and when they see there's no blood running down the trails, local parks will be easier next time.

I think we were overly optimistic to think everything was going to make it through. I can live with throwing the antis like Sontany a bone so they don't completely lose face with their constituents. Even Williams said he was against local park carry. At least he didn't shoot it down (along with everything else) like Naifeh would have.

It looks like we're gonna get restaurant carry, records confidentiality and State park access to go along with the National parks. We may have lost a skirmish, but we're finally winning the war.