After We've Sheltered In Place. COVID-19. Coronavirus.

[DaveTN]

7 minutes ago, TGO David said:

I bet this is another harsh realization that people have to come to terms with as well.

I worked with an Engineer that said his friends that graduated MTSU with him that had an Engineering degree started in jobs at $80 to $100K a year. I told him, either your friends are lying to you or they don’t work anywhere close to this area.

You would think college age students would have a better grasp on reality and jobs where they want to live.

[Quavodus]

I'm a machinist, or at least was. 4 weeks on strike now. Cummins filtration Cookeville. Formerly Fleetguard.

[TGO David]

1 minute ago, DaveTN said:

You would think college age students would have a better grasp on reality and jobs where they want to live.

It's hit or miss with college students.  I've got one that graduated with a nursing degree and she's in serious demand these days.  I've got another that scraped by with a degree in a very generalized IT program and will likely have student loan debt until he and his compdres manage to elect a socialist who will absolve them of their stupidity and saddle me with his debt as taxes.

 

[peejman]

2 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

I worked with an Engineer that said his friends that graduated MTSU with him that had an Engineering degree started in jobs at $80 to $100K a year. I told him, either your friends are lying to you or they don’t work anywhere close to this area.

You would think college age students would have a better grasp on reality and jobs where they want to live.

Depending on the industry and location, $80k is a starting salary. I know of several recent grads who make about that in bigger metro areas.  The salary won't go up much unless you're willing to work 80 hrs/wk as I've learned, but talented people can make that in the right spot. 

[DaveTN]

3 minutes ago, TGO David said:

It's hit or miss with college students.  I've got one that graduated with a nursing degree and she's in serious demand these days.  I've got another that scraped by with a degree in a very generalized IT program and will likely have student loan debt until he and his compdres manage to elect a socialist who will absolve them of their stupidity and saddle me with his debt as taxes.

 

Two of my very good friends were married to nurses. When they lost their jobs (at different times), their wives told them; “Go wherever you want; I can work anywhere”

But yeah, as far as your son goes, it looks like Bernie is out of the picture. 

[DaveTN]

13 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

I'm a machinist, or at least was. 4 weeks on strike now. Cummins filtration Cookeville. Formerly Fleetguard.

Well dang man....strike timing sure sucked. 

[Quavodus]

Are you telling me.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Quavodus

[DaveTN]

36 minutes ago, peejman said:

And still weird.  Must have done something strange with my phone. 

Phones aren’t “real” computers for using the net, probably an Apple phone at that. Aren’t you at home? Get on a real PC with a OS by Uncle Bill.

[peejman]

2 minutes ago, DaveTN said:

Phones aren’t “real” computers for using the net, probably an Apple phone at that. Aren’t you at home? Get on a real PC with a OS by Uncle Bill.

An eyefone indeed, how'd you guess?  I would use the PC, but I can't out on the screened porch.  I suppose I could use the tablet, but that would mean I'd have to find it... 

[jpx2rk]

I've heard rumors of various issues with cell phone towers, wife had trouble making a phone call yesterday, and her eyephone was acting weird earlier today.  

[peejman]

43 minutes ago, jpx2rk said:

I've heard rumors of various issues with cell phone towers, wife had trouble making a phone call yesterday, and her eyephone was acting weird earlier today.  

Wifi at home. I'm sure it was operator error. I'm not the best phone typist.  

[btq96r]

12 hours ago, TGO David said:

Medical evidence thus far substantiates the theory that once a person is exposed to and overcomes C19, they are resistant (if not immune) to reinfection. Those people should be allowed to return to their jobs so that they can resume earning a living, prevent their own personal bankruptcies, and get America moving again.

I'm in agreement that we need to be thinking of ways to get back to work, even nickle and dime plans are better than nothing.  It's just identifying where the line of acceptable risk is.

Are we seeing evidence that those who are past exposure/sickness aren't still carriers somehow?  To me that's the key where we could get on with reopening the country once we're over the peaks.  Those folks can get back to it while those at risk can continue to shelter and work from home for a bit.

Once we have a vaccine, COVID-19 will become manageable as seasonal flu from a prevention & critical care standpoint.  Hopefully the vaccine will be ready and widespread before a possible 2nd wave later in the year, so we don't have a repeat of 1918.  I'd hate to go through all this again, and I'm sure the economy at large, nor the health system can't take it; both from a patient management standpoint, and financially as hospitals are already in a cash crunch.

 

9 hours ago, peejman said:

I agree that it's quickly becoming time to turn the economy back on. I also think this may fundamentally change business. Thousands of businesses have gone 100% virtual in the last month, and continued to function normally.  How many of those won't go back?  Why pay rent on office space that you've been forced to learn you didn't really need?  How many will realize their employees are happier now?  Significant potential for the other side of this to look quite different. 

This whole thing came at a very interesting time for my company.  We were in the middle of trying to negotiate a sq ft reduction at our current spot after we outsourced our revenue cycle department, and got their footprint torn down.  When thinking through a smaller office, we'd come up with the idea hot desks where folks who had similar jobs could alternate days in the office/work from home days by everyone having laptops, and the "hot desks" having docking stations for them to plug into. 

I don't think my organization has the desire or ability to completely shut down an office (IT has to have a workspace and storage site somewhere, and as fun as these virtual meetings are, they don't fully replicate in person ones), but we could possibly trim down even further than we thought if we can share one desk space between two or three people who only really need to be in once or twice a week to use a physical resource like the copier/fax or have a role in maintaining hardware.

[peejman]

9 hours ago, btq96r said:

I'm in agreement that we need to be thinking of ways to get back to work, even nickle and dime plans are better than nothing.  It's just identifying where the line of acceptable risk is.

Are we seeing evidence that those who are past exposure/sickness aren't still carriers somehow?  To me that's the key where we could get on with reopening the country once we're over the peaks.  Those folks can get back to it while those at risk can continue to shelter and work from home for a bit.

Once we have a vaccine, COVID-19 will become manageable as seasonal flu from a prevention & critical care standpoint.  Hopefully the vaccine will be ready and widespread before a possible 2nd wave later in the year, so we don't have a repeat of 1918.  I'd hate to go through all this again, and I'm sure the economy at large, nor the health system can't take it; both from a patient management standpoint, and financially as hospitals are already in a cash crunch.

 

This whole thing came at a very interesting time for my company.  We were in the middle of trying to negotiate a sq ft reduction at our current spot after we outsourced our revenue cycle department, and got their footprint torn down.  When thinking through a smaller office, we'd come up with the idea hot desks where folks who had similar jobs could alternate days in the office/work from home days by everyone having laptops, and the "hot desks" having docking stations for them to plug into. 

I don't think my organization has the desire or ability to completely shut down an office (IT has to have a workspace and storage site somewhere, and as fun as these virtual meetings are, they don't fully replicate in person ones), but we could possibly trim down even further than we thought if we can share one desk space between two or three people who only really need to be in once or twice a week to use a physical resource like the copier/fax or have a role in maintaining hardware.

Our biggest customer went to "hot desks" a couple years ago.  It was met with some resistance at first but folks seem to be ok with it now. They don't have enough desks for all the employees.  Between travel and sickness they assume there will never be a time when everyone is in at the same time. Everyone does have a locker or lockable drawer in a filing cabinet.  It's a big place with wifi so folks just sit wherever they like. 

[DWARREN123]

Friday and Saturday we had trouble with our phones. No bars then it came back up.

Something going on.

[Moped]

19 hours ago, DWARREN123 said:

TGO David I would like to see those things too but I think many folks will forget a lot of what has happened within a year.

I don't even think it will take a year.  The attention span of an American is very short now-a-days.

I will tell you that I do like working from home and I very well may push for a schedule where I can work from home two or three days a week, after this is all said and done.

[Mark A]

If I owned commercial office real estate or a road building business I would be quaking in my boots. 

 

In one minute we've proven a tremendous lack of need for both...

[expendable]

On 4/5/2020 at 4:20 PM, peejman said:

I'm an engineer, I fix broken jet engines.

All of these years I’ve spent in aviation, I’ve never actually seen an engineer fix anything 

Edited April 7, 2020 by expendable

[peejman]

6 hours ago, expendable said:

All of these years I’ve spent in aviation, I’ve never actually seen an engineer fix anything 

We have a highly advanced cloaking device.