Ruger PC Charger

[Garufa]

How did this escape notice?  New from Ruger, the 9mm PC Charger pistol:

https://ruger.com/products/pcCharger/models.html

 

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Garufa

[TomInMN]

I just saw this today. Super excited.

[Steelharp]

Would love to see/try one!!

[FUJIMO]

Thanks for the heads up @Garufa. I'll have to watch for one pop up locally. 

[Quavodus]

They need to offer it with a longer barrel.

[quedz]

17 hours ago, Quavodus said:

They need to offer it with a longer barrel.

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19122.html 

[aknifemaker]

10" barrel would be ideal, would love to try one.

[hipower]

19 hours ago, hughd said:

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19122.html 

So I wonder if the current release is pistol or rifle format only? Off the wall thinking, buy the rifle and get the pistol barrel as a backup. Or vice versa.

Maybe they will offer different length barrels separately later?

Either way, it does look interesting. Personally, I really like the looks of this Ruger release. I would imagine it will put a dent in the PSA PPC sales. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by hipower

[TomInMN]

2 hours ago, aknifemaker said:

10" barrel would be ideal, would love to try one.

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

[Quavodus]

Well, its got a butt stock. That makes it a carbine, right? But, it's got a short barrel too. I thought carbines had to have a 16.25" barrel minimum.

[Quavodus]

 

21 hours ago, hughd said:

hruger.com/products/pcCarbine/specSheets/19122.html 

Ok, I see now that they do offer a longer barrel version. sorry.

[quedz]

24 minutes ago, Quavodus said:

Well, its got a butt stock.

Aftermarket AR "brace" 

How do it know?

Edited March 23, 2020 by hughd

[deerslayer]

2 hours ago, TomInMN said:

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

From my experience, carbine-length barrels still give better velocity.  Even a 147 loaded with a small dose of fast burning powder (Hodgdon Titegroup, for example) still gains 100-150 FPS over a Glock 34 and the 34 is probably on the higher end of pistol velocities.  This type of load is the one that should not, theoretically, see much (if any) gain.  With some hot-loaded 115s, the gain will probably be even more.

[deerslayer]

Wonder what the odds of finding one right now are...

[TripleGGG]

8 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Wonder what the odds of finding one right now are...

Guy on gunbroker has 6 available for the low low price of $799 each! 

[deerslayer]

Wow, figured it would be MSRP + $$$

[DaveTN]

2 minutes ago, deerslayer said:

Wow, figured it would be MSRP + $$$

I don't see any of the mainstream dealers jacking up prices. They are just limited in what they have.

[aknifemaker]

barrel length	Cor Bon 90 gr. JHP +P	Cor Bon 115 gr. JHP +P	Cor Bon 125 gr. JHP +P	Cor Bon 115 gr. DPX	Federal 115 gr. JHP	Federal 135 gr. Hydra- Shok JHP low recoil	Federal 105 gr. Expand'g FMJ	Federal 124 gr. Hydra- Shok JHP	Federal 147 gr. Hydra- Shok JHP	Speer 124 gr. Gold Dot Short Barrel
18"	1754	1543	1449	1458	1297	1194	1370	1231	1083	1395
17"	1766	1550	1421	1455	1320	1207	1381	1250	1096	1400
16"	1740	1525	1430	1476	1295	1185	1358	1243	1073	1379
15"	1768	1536	1392	1416	1304	1194	1364	1244	1090	1375
14"	1767	1532	1405	1440	1295	1182	1372	1241	1090	1390
13"	1738	1517	1477	1427	1281	1183	1343	1237	1081	1378
12"	1716	1514	1385	1380	1282	1184	1273	1225	1081	1361
11"	1690	1496	1372	1391	1268	1166	1318	1212	1059	1360
10"	1647	1474	1372	1379	1253	1167	1314	1211	1067	1338
9"	1663	1476	1369	1377	1238	1161	1307	1212	1055	1345
8"	1634	1458	1366	1366	1234	1145	1278	1180	1047	1329
7"	1619	1446	1329	1350	1223	1136	1258	1161	1040	1316
6"	1566	1402	1312	1332	1188	1113	1235	1131	1030	1284
5"	1539	1372	1282	1315	1166	1085	1194	1115	1007	1259
4"	1444	1316	1226	1265	1094	1039	1140	1061	951	1203
3"	1345	1245	1170	1215	1029	976	1073	988	902	1108
2"	1215	1134	1061	1132	948	909	985	900	837	1074

here's a comparison of some 9mm bullets vs barrel length found it on a web page

[TomInMN]

@aknifemaker thanks for that chart. I noticed that, between 14" and 18" more than one of the loads has speeds go up and down and then up again. That seems odd to me...

[Quavodus]

Right around 17" is about right for good velocity. I'd imagine with slower powder handloads it might be better in a carbine.

[deerslayer]

4 hours ago, TomInMN said:

@aknifemaker thanks for that chart. I noticed that, between 14" and 18" more than one of the loads has speeds go up and down and then up again. That seems odd to me...

The round has probably pretty much shot its wad at 14" and the velocities at 15, 16, 17, and 18 all reflect basically the same velocity when you account for standard deviation and extreme spread.  

[tngunowner1]

The barrel from this and the carbine are interchangeable, from a technical standpoint. from a legal standpoint, i believe its only allowed one way. 

[FrankD]

I think this would be good alternative to the glock mag AR platforms out there just from a cost/reliability standpoint.  I also like the idea of getting one of the side folding pic braces to thrown on this thing.  Would make a fun little package and a good "truck gun" type weapon especially for folks who carry a glock and have a couple of mags already.

[Magiccarpetrides]

On 3/23/2020 at 12:55 PM, TomInMN said:

I'd be interested to know at what barrel length the returns in velocity start to diminish. There can't be very many 9x19 rounds designed for use in barrels longer than probably 5-6" or so...

From what I researched long ago when I built my first 9mm AR you don’t gain anything velocity wise after about 9” (again it’s been awhile so I could be off) ...that’s where oddball ammo like that fbi contract +p+ shines...even though in a pistol it’s gains are negligible relative to the increase in pressure. 

[Magiccarpetrides]

On 3/23/2020 at 11:26 AM, hipower said:

So I wonder if the current release is pistol or rifle format only? Off the wall thinking, buy the rifle and get the pistol barrel as a backup. Or vice versa.

Maybe they will offer different length barrels separately later?

Either way, it does look interesting. Personally, I really like the looks of this Ruger release. I would imagine it will put a dent in the PSA PPC sales. 

I don’t think it would put a dent at all in the PSA PS5 sales (if it ever sees the light of day) as blowback action is so inferior recoil wise to the delayed roller action that the PS5 promises.  I’ve honestly never been too thrilled with any of these PCC’s that run normal blowback the recoil is usually more than an AR and you lose a ton of stopping power.