SARS-2-CoV (COVID-19)

[Whisper]

3 hours ago, Erik88 said:

The real reason the GOP is so against mail in voting is because it will encourage more poor people to vote.

Well, I'm sure the GOP believes it will encourage more poor people to vote, but I'm not convinced that's the case, and I've not seen any studies that support the theory.  As mentioned earlier, voting by mail may increase turnout among the elderly, and the older the voter, the more likely it's a GOP vote.  

[Garufa]

50 minutes ago, Whisper said:

Well, I'm sure the GOP believes it will encourage more poor people to vote, but I'm not convinced that's the case, and I've not seen any studies that support the theory..  

Nationwide mail in voting is the study.  The first round may or may not bring the expected results by the most vocal proponents, but it is one step closer to online voting.  Then, the game is over for Republicans in my opinion.

[Raoul]

10 minutes ago, Garufa said:

Nationwide mail in voting is the study.  The first round may or may not bring the expected results by the most vocal proponents, but it is one step closer to online voting.  Then, the game is over for Republicans in my opinion.

Why? Can't Republicans use computers?

[xsubsailor]

5 minutes ago, Garufa said:

 Then, the game is over for Republicans in my opinion.

 The game is over for Republicans anyway unless they go to "in person" voting with picture ID. There's no way to identify a person voting by mail. How many times have we heard about absentee ballots from the military being delayed or not processed at all.

[Garufa]

16 minutes ago, Raoul said:

Why? Can't Republicans use computers?

If they truly do rely as heavily on seniors as the past and present indicates, there are tons of “disenfranchised” old folks that can’t even use a mouse, much less navigate google.

[xsubsailor]

12 minutes ago, Garufa said:

If they truly do rely as heavily on seniors as the past and present indicates, there are tons of “disenfranchised” old folks that can’t even use a mouse, much less navigate google.

 Don't forget, Google can control what you enter. In short, they would have control of the election. 

[FUJIMO]

It's all makings for a no win sh!tstorm and anyone paying attention can see that.

Fauci disagrees with WHO and says to expect a 2nd and possible 3rd wave conveniently timed around the election.

Media blasting "got to protect our seniors" and promotes mail in ballots as the ONLY way it can be a fair election. 

Biden states this week "no way I can win, Trump will rig the election ". And "when he doesn't win he will have to be removed from the White House with force". 

 

[hipower]

3 hours ago, Garufa said:

Nationwide mail in voting is the study.  The first round may or may not bring the expected results by the most vocal proponents, but it is one step closer to online voting.  Then, the game is over for Republicans in my opinion.

Regardless of mail in voting, even when Trump wins, I see him being the last Republican President of this country; baring a major miracle.

The other side, no matter what you call them, will far outnumber those who think similar to us now.

[MacGyver]

17 minutes ago, hipower said:

Regardless of mail in voting, even when Trump wins, I see him being the last Republican President of this country; baring a major miracle.

The other side, no matter what you call them, will far outnumber those who think similar to us now.

The sad thing is - is that it didn’t have to be that way.

But the GOP sure seems intent on pushing as many people out of their tent as they can.

Maybe they need to be defeated so soundly that it really is the end of the modern Republican Party.

Because I’m afraid that’s the only way we’ll find some folks who can express what a conservative vision of the future looks like that’s more inclusive of what America actually looks like in 2020. 

[btq96r]

19 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

The sad thing is - is that it didn’t have to be that way.

But the GOP sure seems intent on pushing as many people out of their tent as they can.

Maybe they need to be defeated so soundly that it really is the end of the modern Republican Party.

Because I’m afraid that’s the only way we’ll find some folks who can express what a conservative vision of the future looks like that’s more inclusive of what America actually looks like in 2020. 

Those of us without a political "home" are eagerly awaiting the implosion of the Republican or Democratic party.  We're ready to jump onboard the first "center of whatever" party that rises from the ashes.

[Erik88]

11 hours ago, hipower said:

Regardless of mail in voting, even when Trump wins, I see him being the last Republican President of this country; baring a major miracle.

The other side, no matter what you call them, will far outnumber those who think similar to us now.

I just want to say that what you see on TV is not really an accurate representation of this country, especially for young people. Yes, there are a lot of far left young people in the country but don't let the media fool you into believing this reflects all of us. Have some faith.

Twice in the past month I've been around different groups of 25-35 year olds and politics has been brought up. These are all working professionals with careers. NONE of them like Biden. Not one.  Most of them admitted they think Trump is divisive, and they wish he would shut up, but they still plan on voting for him. I'm sure a few silent ones may have disagreed but the majority of those I was with will vote for Trump. It almost seems like the ones that speak out against capitalism seem to be the young people that can't get a good job and feel like they have been left behind. They are probably buried in student loan debt too. When democrats start offering them debt forgiveness you might see why it appeals to them. Just trying to offer some perspective. 

I don't think he will be the LAST Republican president but it might be a while. 

That's a long winded way of saying I still think the GOP has a chance to turn this around. Don't think we're doomed and that every young person is just banging the socialism drum. 

Edited June 13, 2020 by Erik88

[RED333]

45 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

That's a long winded way of saying I still think the GOP has a chance to turn this around. Don't think we're doomed and that every young person is just banging the socialism drum. 

This is spot on, I to have talked to the younger crowd, if they work, most are right leaning.

[RED333]

21 hours ago, Omega said:

Judge: Tennessee must allow postal voting for all amid virus

https://www.tn.gov/attorneygeneral/news/2020/6/5/pr20-23.html

Statement from AG Slatery Following Absentee Voting Decision

Friday, June 05, 2020 | 09:12am

Nashville- This evening Davidson County Chancellor Ellen Hobbs Lyle ordered state government to abandon long standing requirements for in person voting.

Tennessee, like all states, must engage in a delicate balancing act: it must safeguard voters from COVID-19 exposure while ensuring that voters are not disenfranchised.

Tennessee’s election officials consulted with experts from the Tennessee Department of Health and county health departments to create a comprehensive COVID-19 election plan that conforms to the CDC’s guidance and makes Tennessee’s polling places safer than the general community.

The Court’s ruling, while rightly taking into account the safety of Tennessee’s voters and poll workers, failed to appropriately consider the extensive safety measures of the COVID-19 election plan, and, more importantly, gave little weight to the unanimous expertise of state and county election officials that hastily expanding absentee voting is impracticable and risks disenfranchising Tennessee voters. The Court’s order has taken this important decision away from Tennessee’s state and county election experts and unnecessarily risks voter confusion, potential voter fraud, and election disruption.

“It is yet another court decision replacing legislation passed by the people’s elected officials with its own judgment, largely ignoring the practicalities of implementing such a decision, and doing so in the midst of a pandemic and budget crisis,” said Herbert H. Slatery III.

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Press Release #20-23:  Statement from AG Slatery Following Absentee Voting Decision

[mikegideon]

On 6/11/2020 at 11:02 PM, Oh Shoot said:

IHME shows big jump for us.

3,652 COVID-19 deaths projected by October 1, 2020

 

This of course according to current unchecked trends and social behavior.

 

Nationwide, has jumped to:

 

169,890 COVID-19 deaths projected by October 1, 2020

 

And of course that's just in time for the winter surge, which the southern hemisphere is now starting to experience.

 

The market certainly took it all to heart today, eh?

 

- OS

After we talked yesterday, I took a closer look at the IHME data. TN is projected to have a big rise in deaths, but ZIP in New York! 

At least until now, nobody could kill a Covid patient like Andrew Cuomo. How comes they are totally out of the woods?

Edited June 13, 2020 by mikegideon

[DaveTN]

41 minutes ago, mikegideon said:

After we talked yesterday, I took a closer look at the IHME data. TN is projected to have a big rise in deaths, but ZIP in New York! 

At least until now, nobody could kill a Covid patient like Andrew Cuomo. How comes they are totally out of the woods?

Because that would require speculation that mass protesters and rioters caused the spike....can't have that.

[mikegideon]

5 hours ago, DaveTN said:

Because that would require speculation that mass protesters and rioters caused the spike....can't have that.

That's the thing. Everything is so damn politicized, I don't trust ANY of the data completely. There are incentives to cook damn near every number.

[Garufa]

15 minutes ago, mikegideon said:

That's the thing. Everything is so damn politicized, I don't trust ANY of the data completely. There are incentives to cook damn near every number.

It gets even better.  As of yesterday the state is changing how they report.  Probables are now included with confirmed.

https://www.wbir.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/tennessee-changed-how-its-reporting-covid-19-data-heres-what-you-need-to-know/51-4ef05b4d-4a2b-421c-8549-ebee75ade952

Edited June 14, 2020 by Garufa

[peejman]

1 hour ago, Garufa said:

It gets even better.  As of yesterday the state is changing how they report.  Probables are now included with confirmed.

https://www.wbir.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/tennessee-changed-how-its-reporting-covid-19-data-heres-what-you-need-to-know/51-4ef05b4d-4a2b-421c-8549-ebee75ade952

The CDC already has been reporting entire households as positive when a single family member tests positive. 

[Oh Shoot]

11 hours ago, mikegideon said:

After we talked yesterday, I took a closer look at the IHME data. TN is projected to have a big rise in deaths, but ZIP in New York!

At least until now, nobody could kill a Covid patient like Andrew Cuomo. How comes they are totally out of the woods?

Oh, I doubt they're "out of the woods". Still lots of restrictions in place. Most populous city and all packed into a relatively small area, international hub, things just all hit the fan fast, and by the time it was full blown there wasn't anything to do but react till social isolation effect kicked in.

TN had 27 deaths Friday, the  most since the whole shebang started here.

- OS

[mikegideon]

[Moped]

Our positive test numbers continue to rise., here in Knox County  No shocker there.  We had 17 more new cases as of 10AM this morning. The good thing is we only have 4 hosiptalized and still only 5 deaths.  

https://covid.knoxcountytn.gov/case-count.html

 

[Oh Shoot]

40 minutes ago, Moped said:

Our positive test numbers continue to rise., here in Knox County  No shocker there.  We had 17 more new cases as of 10AM this morning. The good thing is we only have 4 hosiptalized and still only 5 deaths.  

https://covid.knoxcountytn.gov/case-count.html

In my lifetime this area has been relatively quite the haven against most of the ills that nature throws at us.

- OS

edit: new IHME projection has lowered TN fatalities to under 2K by Oct 1 while USA overall raised to over 200K.

Edited June 16, 2020 by Oh Shoot

[Moped]

30 minutes ago, Oh Shoot said:

In my lifetime this area has been relatively quite the haven against most of the ills that nature throws at us.

- OS

edit: new IHME projection has lowered TN fatalities to under 2K by Oct 1 while USA overall raised to over 200K.

I think we have been blessed so far.  Very glad I am not living in Nashville!!!

[xsubsailor]

[gregintenn]

Since the streets aren’t piled high with dead and dying COVID-19 positive protestors, I think I will revert to my original theory that this was blown way out of proportion.