SARS-2-CoV (COVID-19)

[mikegideon]

1 hour ago, Raoul said:

As a matter of fact I do. And bourbon. Am I qualified?

Sure. You even have a few brain cells for the bourbon. Wouldn't recommend that for Uncle Sniffy though.

[Quavodus]

I took a couple Shingles vacs a few months ago. Don't know why really. Can't remember if I ever had Chicken Pox.

[MacGyver]

Hey, @maroonandwhite like most things Scientific American does, this is a pretty nerdy article, but has links to all the underlying studies on pregnancy and COVID.

Definitely talk to your doctor - but this should give you good, evidence based information going in.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-vaccines-show-no-signs-of-harming-fertility-or-sexual-function/

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, GlockSpock said:

When we were dating my Wife got shingles on her shoulder when she was 18 . Pretty much everyone told her at the time that getting it at such a young age was extremely rare. That didn't do much to help her situation. My understanding is that you can only get shingles if you have had the chicken pox, is that correct? I had the chicken pox vaccine as a child and she attended a chicken pox party.

As far as I know, I cannot get shingles (based on the aforementioned understanding). I hope I don't jinx that one.

I never had chicken pox but in my early 30s I got a stripe across my abdomen that was very painful when anything touched it and was diagnosed as shingles.  

Edited August 25, 2021 by Daniel

[Daniel]

15 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

Hey, @maroonandwhite like most things Scientific American does, this is a pretty nerdy article, but has links to all the underlying studies on pregnancy and COVID.

Definitely talk to your doctor - but this should give you good, evidence based information going in.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-vaccines-show-no-signs-of-harming-fertility-or-sexual-function/

Thanks for posting this.  I had a subordinate today that said something along the lines that you cant get the shot if pregnant etc.  I brought up the CDC website to show different.  She told me she didnt trust the CDC.  She only trusts people that she can research their background.  Meanwhile another subordinate insists all vaccinated people are getting covid-19 and getting put in the hospital.  I let them know that they would both be getting vaccinated shortly and they could let me know how it works out for them.

[GlockSpock]

26 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Thanks for posting this.  I had a subordinate today that said something along the lines that you cant get the shot if pregnant etc.  I brought up the CDC website to show different.  She told me she didnt trust the CDC.  She only trusts people that she can research their background.  Meanwhile another subordinate insists all vaccinated people are getting covid-19 and getting put in the hospital.  I let them know that they would both be getting vaccinated shortly and they could let me know how it works out for them.

I hate that anyone in the US is being forced to take this or risk their job, etc. I also hate that people distrust any and all authority/government/science to the point that they don’t want to take it. 

[MacGyver]

30 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Thanks for posting this.  I had a subordinate today that said something along the lines that you cant get the shot if pregnant etc.  I brought up the CDC website to show different.  She told me she didnt trust the CDC.  She only trusts people that she can research their background.  Meanwhile another subordinate insists all vaccinated people are getting covid-19 and getting put in the hospital.  I let them know that they would both be getting vaccinated shortly and they could let me know how it works out for them.

We’ve known for a while that one of the common lasting side effects of COVID is erectile dysfunction.  That alone should be enough motivation for some folks.   

[mikegideon]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

We’ve known for a while that one of the common lasting side effects of COVID is erectile dysfunction.  That alone should be enough motivation for some folks.   

They should be leading with that one. Seriously.

[AuEagle]

Even Mainstream Media Is Now Asking Big Questions About Covid Vaccines | ZeroHedge

[Quavodus]

16 minutes ago, AuEagle said:

Even Mainstream Media Is Now Asking Big Questions About Covid Vaccines | ZeroHedge

Woah, that ain't good. What now? I guess you're screwed either way.  I don't think anybody needs to ask Falsey.  So, does this mean we start shaking hands and hugging family and friends again?

Edited August 25, 2021 by Quavodus

[AuEagle]

Robert W Malone, MD on Twitter: ""WHO Leader Pleads Against Booster Shots—Questioning Efficacy And Highlighting Risk Of ‘More Potent’ Variants" "Furthermore, the WHO director called into question whether booster shots are “effective at all,”" https://t.co/4dMgtL8QVZ" / Twitter

[mikegideon]

Y'all go ahead and post that anti-vax stuff. I'm worried about my pecker. Boost me, oh great cockwomble!

[gregintenn]

28 minutes ago, mikegideon said:

Y'all go ahead and post that anti-vax stuff. I'm worried about my pecker. Boost me, oh great cockwomble!

Face it, dude. Father time is about to take that away from you if he hasn’t already.

[mikegideon]

11 minutes ago, gregintenn said:

Face it, dude. Father time is about to take that away from you if he hasn’t already.

Don't you have a vaccination to go to?

[Daniel]

1 hour ago, AuEagle said:

Robert W Malone, MD on Twitter: ""WHO Leader Pleads Against Booster Shots—Questioning Efficacy And Highlighting Risk Of ‘More Potent’ Variants" "Furthermore, the WHO director called into question whether booster shots are “effective at all,”" https://t.co/4dMgtL8QVZ" / Twitter

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030248514/who-calls-for-a-delay-in-booster-shots-to-prioritize-under-vaccinated-countries

[maroonandwhite]

22 hours ago, MacGyver said:

Hey, @maroonandwhite like most things Scientific American does, this is a pretty nerdy article, but has links to all the underlying studies on pregnancy and COVID.

Definitely talk to your doctor - but this should give you good, evidence based information going in.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-vaccines-show-no-signs-of-harming-fertility-or-sexual-function/

Thanks again! 

[No_0ne]

5 hours ago, gregintenn said:

Face it, dude. Father time is about to take that away from you if he hasn’t already.

You could have gone all day without reminding me of that ...

[mikegideon]

From a local (to me) pulmonary doc. I thought it was worth sharing...

"Dear Paducah –

I have been a pulmonary and critical care physician in this community for 15 years. I love the people of Paducah, and I consider myself lucky to practice medicine at Baptist Health with some of the best physicians and nurses I’ve ever known. For the past 16 months, I have been treating COVID patients in the ICU. It has been challenging and at times heartbreaking, but I was able to remain positive knowing incredible work was being done to develop a safe and effective vaccine. Sadly, with local vaccination rates below 50% and hospitalizations rising rapidly, my optimism is fading.

I decided to speak out now because I think it is important for residents of Paducah to have a clear understanding of what is happening locally. As a member of Paducah’s medical community, I have no ulterior motive. My goal is simply to save as many lives as possible and to base my decisions in science and compassion.

Here are the realities of COVID in Paducah as of August 1, 2021:

• The local case count is rising quickly. One might look at it complacently, as a relatively low number compared to the number of cases we had back in the winter. However, hospitalizations are increasing alarmingly. The outbreak in Missouri is overwhelming the CoxHealth system in Springfield. At the rate that our cases, hospitalizations, and ICU admissions are increasing, that is a realistic possibility in Paducah also. I think this is due to the severity of illness the delta variant causes compared with prior variants.

• Recent reports indicate 97% of hospitalizations have been for unvaccinated patients. Our local experience is consistent with this. We have had vaccinated individuals test positive for COVID in Paducah, but serious disease and death have been almost exclusively among the unvaccinated.

• Death from COVID is usually due to respiratory failure, and it is a ghastly way to die. We have witnessed several tragedies over the last 3 weeks as COVID has started devastating patients who are much younger and healthier than those during previous waves (30 to 60 years old vs. 60+ before.) My pulmonary colleagues in other KY cities and nearby states are seeing the same trends – the people coming to the hospital are younger, sicker, and predominantly unvaccinated.

• For now, we have enough ventilators in Paducah. But I think there is a misperception that having ventilators means we are well equipped to save people who are seriously ill from COVID. The sad reality is that the minority of COVID patients who are put on a ventilator survive.

My thoughts on the vaccine:

With the increased community spread locally, our best defense is to get more people vaccinated. I know not everyone has direct access to a lung doctor, so I want to tell you what I tell patients every day in my office when they seek my advice on whether to get vaccinated.

• I reviewed the vaccine trials and have confidence that the vaccines are safe and effective. Over 339 million doses of the vaccine have been given in the United States. To date, 3 confirmed deaths have been linked to the vaccine. These deaths were the results of blood clots following the J&J vaccine.

• The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very similar to each other and have shown better effectiveness vs the delta variant than other options. So Pfizer and Moderna are both great options – just make sure you get two doses so you will maximize your protection.

• Medications now in common use for other conditions have been studied far less than these vaccines prior to approval, and frequently are used for treatment of conditions for which they were not originally developed. One example: Viagra was studied in 3000 participants vs 70,000 in the mRNA trials leading to FDA emergency use authorization.

• If you get critically ill, I will do everything I can for you, but it might not be enough. The reality is that the drugs and treatments we have to fight COVID are often not enough to prevent death. The best prevention tool we have is the vaccine, and the vaccine will only help BEFORE you contract the disease.

• We each have the individual right to choose whether to be vaccinated, but that comes with the responsibility for the choice’s consequences. The decisions we make as individuals affect the health and welfare of our entire community. If our hospitals continue to fill up with COVID patients, our ability to care for non-COVID patients and to do elective procedures will be affected. Your decision to be vaccinated will also help me and the other indefatigable healthcare workers in this community. We are not an unlimited resource."

[RED333]

5 minutes ago, mikegideon said:

One example: Viagra was studied in 3000 participants vs 70,000 in the mRNA trials leading to FDA emergency use authorization.

I have heard of this

[mikegideon]

1 hour ago, RED333 said:

I have heard of this

I reckon he figures most of his audience isn't scared of boner pills.

[AuEagle]

Canada Adds Bell's Palsy Warning to Pfizer COVID Shot - The Vaccine Reaction

[Erik88]

From that link.

"During pre-EUA clinical trials for the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA biologic involving 42,000 participants, there were four reported cases of Bell’s palsy among those who had received the biologic. In pre-EUA trials for the Moderna/NIAID biologic, which included 30,000 participants, there were four reported cases of Bell’s palsy and three of the cases had received the product.^7"

[btq96r]

11 minutes ago, Erik88 said:

From that link.

"During pre-EUA clinical trials for the Pfizer/BioNTech mRNA biologic involving 42,000 participants, there were four reported cases of Bell’s palsy among those who had received the biologic. In pre-EUA trials for the Moderna/NIAID biologic, which included 30,000 participants, there were four reported cases of Bell’s palsy and three of the cases had received the product.^7"

If we're getting a <0.01% chance of something become the driver of headlines, we're just not going to make it as a society. 

[GlockSpock]

15 minutes ago, btq96r said:

If we're getting a <0.01% chance of something become the driver of headlines, we're just not going to make it as a society. 

More importantly, consider this.

If 5% of a given population is generally expected to develop a disease, and then we give 1,000 people a drug trial. If after being given that drug, 50 of them develop over the next few years, does that mean the drug causes that disease?

It depends. It certainly is interesting. But my point simply being that just because a person's conditions worsen after receiving a drug, that does not mean the drug itself is in any way responsible. It could be, or it could be that the person would have developed it anyway. Of course, that's the opposite end of the same argument many are using for COVID (died of COVID or died with COVID).

Now, if in that same population 400 of them (40%) develop the disease instead of the usual 5%, then that's definitely worth looking at.

[gregintenn]

If Abbott and Costello were still around...

Quote

Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.’