Things would have to get a lot worse.

[Guest Rick O'Shay]

First: I bought a second hand Volvo because it was in great condition and the price was right (I refuse to buy "new" ever again). Economics at its best.

Second: I believe we have already lost the country and anything we do hence forward is merely a holding action against further decline. The trend of further government involvement in both business and personal lives will eventually destroy the economy, but meanwhile the US economic beast drives the rest of the world's economies. When the inevitable collapse comes, one of two things will happen, and both painfully: a new economic powerhouse will evolve like the E.U. (unlikely), India (also unlikely), or China (most likely), or two, a massive global depression reminiscent of the 30's.

Then, and only then, is the possibility of reversing the global creep towards Socialism going to occur. I pray I am not here to see it. As a young man I might have looked forward to such a thing, but as an aging one I realize the pain and misery that such a thing will bring. I want no part of it.

Meanwhile I remain politically active by e-mailing representatives, donating money to the right organizations, educating folks on the issues and dangers, etc.

I pity the future generations.

[Guest Rick O'Shay]

Michael Steele maybe ???

Nope. He is Chairman of the party. He won't have time to run for dogcatcher.

[Guest jackdog]

I doubt that we can ever bring our runaway government back to the Republic it once was but I remain hopeful. I think the next few years will be as ugly as it can get.

For it not to go to some kind of total slave nation or violent conflict would totally amaze me.

[Smith]

I doubt that we can ever bring our runaway government back to the Republic it once was but I remain hopeful. I think the next few years will be as ugly as it can get.

For it not to go to some kind of total slave nation or violent conflict would totally amaze me.

Here's one we see eye to eye.

[Punisher84]

I pity the future generations.

Honestly, the state of the world is the number one reason my wife and I are never going to have kids.

If there are future generations to enjoy this world, I doubt life will be much like it is now. I think the days of some space age utopia type thinking are long gone.

I'm not trying to be silly, but honestly Mad Max is more what comes to mind. We'll kill ourselves out and destroy the world with greed.

[Guest Astra900]

Honestly, the state of the world is the number one reason my wife and I are never going to have kids.

If there are future generations to enjoy this world, I doubt life will be much like it is now. I think the days of some space age utopia type thinking are long gone.

I'm not trying to be silly, but honestly Mad Max is more what comes to mind. We'll kill ourselves out and destroy the world with greed.

My wife and I feel the same way.

[Falcon1]

Where are you going to find a black conservative Republican that is pro 2nd amendment, pro gun, and can have a chance of winning?

J. C. Watts from OK, if we can convince him to run? Don't know about his Second Amendment stance; but if it isn't good, I'm sure someone will school me.

Harold Ford, Jr., would be better from a Second Amendment standpoint than our current Commander-in-Chief.

[Guest justme]

I doubt that we can ever bring our runaway government back to the Republic it once was but I remain hopeful. I think the next few years will be as ugly as it can get.

For it not to go to some kind of total slave nation or violent conflict would totally amaze me.

V for Vendetta comes to mind....but you know, the Russians may not be so far off when they said that they see the US breaking up into 3 autonomous regions within the next 18-24 months. I honestly also see things getting really ugly...but this is what happens when a nation goes so far astray from God and from its founding principles.

[Daniel]

of course. Religon really needs to be brought into this equation.

[Guest bkelm18]

V for Vendetta comes to mind....but you know, the Russians may not be so far off when they said that they see the US breaking up into 3 autonomous regions within the next 18-24 months. I honestly also see things getting really ugly...but this is what happens when a nation goes so far astray from God and from its founding principles.

I think your signature says it best: "The road to hell is paved with the best intentions."

[Guest jackdog]

V for Vendetta comes to mind....but you know, the Russians may not be so far off when they said that they see the US breaking up into 3 autonomous regions within the next 18-24 months. I honestly also see things getting really ugly...but this is what happens when a nation goes so far astray from God and from its founding principles.

I don't think religion as a great deal to do with it, myself

[Oh Shoot]

I don't think religion as a great deal to do with it, myself

Religion has more to do with religion than it does with god, for that matter.

- OS

[poak]

It never ceases to amaze me how quick devout "churchies" can be to "blame the heathens" whenever something goes wrong or isn't working... much less in the same breath condemn religious extremism in the mid-east. I condemn religious extremism worldwide, and yes that includes stateside.

[Guest jackdog]

It never ceases to amaze me how quick devout "churchies" can be to "blame the heathens" whenever something goes wrong or isn't working... much less in the same breath condemn religious extremism in the mid-east. I condemn religious extremism worldwide, and yes that includes stateside.

We so agree my good man.

[Smith]

It never ceases to amaze me how quick devout "churchies" can be to "blame the heathens" whenever something goes wrong or isn't working... much less in the same breath condemn religious extremism in the mid-east. I condemn religious extremism worldwide, and yes that includes stateside.

Or when the "heathen" respond with the always productive "churchie" hypocrite rebuttal to everything they disagree with? So much more productive.

Seriously ones religious views/world view, whether you think you have them or not, shades everyones comments. Generalizing for derogatory purposes is ignorant. As does the +1 to those comments. Some of you guys are hard core libertarians, so does that automatically disqualify you from a position because we already know where you are coming from?

[Guest bkelm18]

Or when the "heathen" respond with the always productive "churchie" hypocrite rebuttal to everything they disagree with? So much more productive.

Seriously ones religious views/world view, whether you think you have them or not, shades everyones comments. Generalizing for derogatory purposes is ignorant. As does the +1 to those comments. Some of you guys are hard core libertarians, so does that automatically disqualify you from a position because we already know where you are coming from?

The how do you respond to the large numbers of people who think the country is where we are now because we "have turned away from god"? Couldn't that be considered an ignorant generalization?

[Smith]

Maybe disprove it, if you can. It is a very legitimate argument to say the decay in morals has lead to a lot of our current problems. There is historical as well as current empirical evidence to support the idea.

I think what you are responding to are the many that want to use it as a cope out or discussion ender instead of truly thinking through the proposition. With that I agree with you, but throwing everyone with a outright religious world view as a hypocritical extremist is against you better arguments on fact.

I was simply pointing out the emotionally reactive response from both sides is counterproductive. Kinda like the glass house thing.

[poak]

Or when the "heathen" respond with the always productive "churchie" hypocrite rebuttal to everything they disagree with? So much more productive.

Seriously ones religious views/world view, whether you think you have them or not, shades everyones comments. Generalizing for derogatory purposes is ignorant. As does the +1 to those comments. Some of you guys are hard core libertarians, so does that automatically disqualify you from a position because we already know where you are coming from?

I get your point, but I don't find mine any less valid.

Sorry if I offended you, but after the "atheist shouldn't be allowed to run for office" phase of this thread really set me off... and I'm not an atheist. I just think the right has lost a lot of credibility in the political spectrum by becoming synonymous with "bible thumping". With the current state of the war on terror, we have to be VERY careful about associating religious views with political views in order to discourage anyone from seeing the US as "fighting another crusade".

[Smith]

I get your point, but I don't find mine any less valid.

Sorry if I offended you, but after the "atheist shouldn't be allowed to run for office" phase of this thread really set me off... and I'm not an atheist. I just think the right has lost a lot of credibility in the political spectrum by becoming synonymous with "bible thumping". With the current state of the war on terror, we have to be VERY careful about associating religious views with political views in order to discourage anyone from seeing the US as "fighting another crusade".

No offense taken. once these kinda threads get over 50 post it usually degenerates into the one of these kind of discussions. Which is probably why they get locked down.

Edited February 16, 2009 by Smith

[Guest HexHead]

the US breaking up into 3 autonomous regions within the next 18-24 months.

We should get so lucky. The Obamanation is going to screw up the economy so bad, we could end up breaking up like the Soviet Union did.

It'll be so nice not to give a damn what CA thinks.

[Guest Astra900]

We should get so lucky. The Obamanation is going to screw up the economy so bad, we could end up breaking up like the Soviet Union did.

It'll be so nice not to give a damn what CA thinks.

I'm trying hard to see the bad side of that happening. I'm not seeing it. I hate to go all redneck but maybe we could resurrect the mason/dixon line and drag west a few thousand miles:tough:

[Mike.357]

Religion has more to do with religion than it does with god, for that matter.

- OS

religion has more to do with money than it does with religion or God.

[Guest jackdog]

religion has more to do with money than it does with religion or God.

afraid I would have to agree. religion seems to have become more based on the bottom line than saving souls.

As far as a break up of the entire union, I do not see how that would be in anyway good for this country. I think a return to a solid republican form of government is the only thing that will save this nation. I also do not see how we will get back to that point via the election process, that is most certainly nothing more than the guy with the best BS and money wins. the notion that to not follow party lines is in some way being a traitor amazes me. Once again both parties have sold out the American people to special interests groups around the world. As long as people can get a free ride on the backs of hard working individuals, we are pretty much doomed to mob rule. Simple math there are more people who want a nanny state than don't

[Smith]

religion has more to do with money than it does with religion or God.

Again facts please. Outside of Mormons and Catholics most denominations are cash poor when you look at bottom lines. Not to mention the largest and quickest response teams to natural disasters in the US are the Southern Baptist followed closely by some of the others smaller denominations. While they don't throw as much money, they offer more tangible support (people and necessities) than Red Cross and FEMA.

While there is a very small and usually crooked off base group of people you see on TV, they are not representative of 99% of the church's nationwide. In fact the largest protestant denomination in the world is the Southern Baptist and the average congregation size is around 75 people. Also the average salary of full time pastors within the Southern Baptist is $32,000 per year. The average of other minister staff is around $21,000. Keep in mind that is with double the tax rate that normal employees are required to pay.

While I'm sure some have been hurt by certain people within a church or church's themselves, myself more than most of you, the church is not a place for perfect people. It is the perfect place for imperfect people to work on those deficiencies.

Anyway back on topic....

Edited February 17, 2009 by Smith

[Guest HexHead]

As far as a break up of the entire union, I do not see how that would be in anyway good for this country. I think a return to a solid republican form of government is the only thing that will save this nation. I also do not see how we will get back to that point via the election process

So how do you foresee we get there then? The chosen one is creating a dependent society that will guarantee liberal secular progressive victories in order to sustain the handouts they will become addicted to as if it were crack.

A breakup of the union has lots of benefits. The liberal morons can hold hands and sing kumbahya and think everyone is wonderful, the urban inner city Utes can just kill each other off and the rest of us can lead our lives the way we see fit with much less government intrusion or having the PC ways and values of the liberal blue states thrust upon us.