old ithaca double barrel 12 guage.

[Guest jdavis]

i have found an old ithaca 12 guage double barrel has thirty inch barrels here is a pic. i cant find any info on it but it looks as good as it did new it has been wrapped in a oiled cloth the old guy said he has had it for 40 years and has never shot it. it has an engraving of a bird dog in the grass on it the pic doesnt show it very good any ideas on it as far as age/value i know this isnt much info

but its all i have as of right now.

Edited February 11, 2009 by jdavis
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[Almond27]

Ithaca NID I believe is what it is. Ithaca ceased production on them in 1948. there was a few different grades to choose from Field grade, No.1 grade, No.7 grade and Sousa Special(named after the composer of "Stars and Stripes Forever"). What they are worth today I wouldn't have a clue. Also Ithaca started production on December 1, 1925, The first one built serial number was 425,000. Hope this helps it looks like a NID to me.

[Guest jdavis]

the guy said he was told that it was a grade three, what amount would be a safe amount to spend on it ?

[Almond27]

Oh well, they might have made a grade three I'm not exactly sure. There is a "shooter" looks to be maybe a field grade on gunbroker for an opening bid of $399 the condition of that one you posted looks to be in is way better. If the seller was just asking for an offer I would offer what I thought was fair.

[Almond27]

Also there are some going for $1500 plus on gunbroker.

[Guest jdavis]

this one looks to be origional and in %90 condition i will be trading on it the gun i am trading on it, i looked on gunbroker also but couldnt find one eactly like it, i am lost when it comes to old guns but the bore looks like a mirror and the rest of the gun is near perfect and doesnt appear to have been refinished. i will probably go ahead and trade i have been wanting an old double barrel for a while i have always wanted to replace my dads old ithaca that somehow got gone after he died.

Edited March 8, 2009 by jdavis

[Guest jdavis]

when he said it was a grade three he said he thinks somebody told him it was a grade three years ago, the fellow is around 70 years old.

[Almond27]

sounds like you will probably get a good deal then has the gentleman owned it all his life? Sounds like a nice shotgun.

[Guest jdavis]

he told me his father said he ordered it through the mail, and he gave it to him for his birthday when he was younger he said he didnt remember if it was ever even shot at all, and he doesnt have anyone to pass it down too so he wanted to get it to someone who would take care of it, i barely know this gentleman but he seems to be a great guy.

[KahrMan]

If this is a grade 3 NID, then blue book puts the value at $1500 for 90% condition. If you have any other pics or info I will try to do some more research for you tomorrow.

[Guest jdavis]

these are the all the pics i have of it it has thirty inch barrels, a bird dog in the tall grass and the loaded barrel indicator pins i dont have a serial number or anything and there isnt much more info stamped on the gun.

[Guest gcrookston]

Based on the photos it appears to me to be an N.I.D. (New Ithaca Double), most probably a late one. Here are the serial# / yrs of production:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos3.htm

Doublegunshop.com lists a 20 ga. with case hardened receiver and engraving similiar to this one for $900.00. I've never owned an Ithaca, but understand them to be excellent. Internally they owe much to the Fox.

[KahrMan]

Here is what BlueBook says:

ITHACA HAMMERLESS

- 12, 16, 20, 28 ga., or .410 bore, 26-32 in. fluid steel or damascus barrels, boxlock, extractors, double triggers, any standard choke, checkered pistol grip stock and forearm, grades shown differ in overall quality, ornamentation, grade of wood, and style of checkering. In 1925, the rotary bolt and stronger frame were adapted (ser. numbers after 400,000 - commonly referred to as NID or New Ithaca Double). Values are the same as for pre-400,000 serial range shotguns. Ithaca doubles incorporated a number of design changes made on the action - they are referred to as the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and Minier frame variations.

Add $200 for SST.

Add $150 for SNT.

Add $350 for VR on Grades 4, 5, 7, and $2,000 Grade.

Add $200 for VR - lower grades.

Add $175 for beavertail forearm.

Add 33% for auto ejectors on Grades No. 1, 2, and 3.

Subtract 33% if without ejectors on Grades 4E-7E.

Early hammer doubles in average condition are approx. valued between $175-$450. However, if 60%+ condition remains (including original case colors), values can approximate those listed.

Values below are for guns mfg. between 1925-1948.

Grade No. 3 12 ga.

Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%

$2,300 $2,075 $1,850 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $750 $700 $650 $600 $550

[KahrMan]

Here is what BlueBook says:

ITHACA HAMMERLESS

- 12, 16, 20, 28 ga., or .410 bore, 26-32 in. fluid steel or damascus barrels, boxlock, extractors, double triggers, any standard choke, checkered pistol grip stock and forearm, grades shown differ in overall quality, ornamentation, grade of wood, and style of checkering. In 1925, the rotary bolt and stronger frame were adapted (ser. numbers after 400,000 - commonly referred to as NID or New Ithaca Double). Values are the same as for pre-400,000 serial range shotguns. Ithaca doubles incorporated a number of design changes made on the action - they are referred to as the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and Minier frame variations.

Add $200 for SST.

Add $150 for SNT.

Add $350 for VR on Grades 4, 5, 7, and $2,000 Grade.

Add $200 for VR - lower grades.

Add $175 for beavertail forearm.

Add 33% for auto ejectors on Grades No. 1, 2, and 3.

Subtract 33% if without ejectors on Grades 4E-7E.

Early hammer doubles in average condition are approx. valued between $175-$450. However, if 60%+ condition remains (including original case colors), values can approximate those listed.

Values below are for guns mfg. between 1925-1948.

Grade No. 3 12 ga.

Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%

$2,300 $2,075 $1,850 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $750 $700 $650 $600 $550

[Guest jdavis]

i got the ithaca and i would definately call it %90 or better. i also got an old springfield 45/70 the stamp on the side plate is 1873 and the top of the reciever has 1884 stamped on it it is all intact i will get some pics posted asap.

[KahrMan]

Cool. Can't wait to see pics of the springfield.

[Guest jdavis]

im going to start a new thread and post the pics there.

[Guest jdavis]

Based on the photos it appears to me to be an N.I.D. (New Ithaca Double), most probably a late one. Here are the serial# / yrs of production:

http://www.doublegunshop.com/dgsnos3.htm

Doublegunshop.com lists a 20 ga. with case hardened receiver and engraving similiar to this one for $900.00. I've never owned an Ithaca, but understand them to be excellent. Internally they owe much to the Fox.

my s.n is 45739x by this scale does that put this gun at around 1929?

[Almond27]

jdavis, if you don't mind how much did you give for the NID?

[Guest jdavis]

i traded on it, i have a 1911 mil spec in it.

Edited March 8, 2009 by jdavis

[Guest jdavis]

i couldnt stand it i took the ithaca out and shot it it shoots tight and kicks like a dang mule the full barrel is rough and the modified barrel not so bad but it is a really sweet shooter,

[Warbird]

I saw a nice Ithaca double at the gun show in Franklin this weekend. Guy had a great price on it. I wanted to look a bit and not carry something around so I didn't buy it. Went back a half hour later and it was gone. Oh well. It would have made a nice field gun. I'm mainly an over/under shooter and I would like a nice Field Ithaca O/U.

I also shoot Edwardian and Vintage SxS tourneys and like field models for days with inclimate weather. Saw a nice LC Smith but the guy thought too much of it. It was a 20, which SxS in 20 are always more expensive, but it was still too high none the less.

Looks like you got a good deal there. You could havea gunsmith who knows old shotguns look at it, but I'm pretty sure you're safe with any regular load in there. Those old guns, except for the ancient damascus guns made for blackpowder are pretty dang well made.

There are men all over the world who still shoot them all the time.

[Guest jdavis]

if anyone is interested i have posted this ithaca in the classifieds for sale some things have come up and i need to get some extra cash going planned on keeping it but things happen.

[Warbird]

I would advise you to reconsider your asking price. 12 gauges are not collected except for the most highly sought after names, ie LC Smith, Fox, etc.

If you look on gunbroker you will notice some of these guns have been listed many times for their asking prices and most close with no bids. You cannot go by blue book on old guns, especially shotguns. There are too many variances.

You can do what you want, but if you want to sell it I'd rethink the price. I think you initially paid a fair price for it. The market is also soft on all guns of this sort right now. People are buying up the guns they fear not being able to get in the future.

[Warbird]

Your gun is actually not a grade 3. It is a field grade gun. The dog is the indicator. The grade 3 is a bird. Each grade had its own engraving markers.

I don't see it listed anymore. If you are still selling it let me know, I might be interested or know somebody who might be if not me.

ITHACA HAMMERLESS - 12, 16, 20, 28 ga., or .410 bore, 26-32 in. fluid steel or damascus barrels, boxlock, extractors, double triggers, any standard choke, checkered pistol grip stock and forearm, grades shown differ in overall quality, ornamentation, grade of wood, and style of checkering. In 1925, the rotary bolt and stronger frame were adapted (ser. numbers after 400,000 - commonly referred to as NID or New Ithaca Double). Values are the same as for pre-400,000 serial range shotguns. Ithaca doubles incorporated a number of design changes made on the action - they are referred to as the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and Minier frame variations.

Add $200 for SST.

Add $150 for SNT.

Add $350 for VR on Grades 4, 5, 7, and $2,000 Grade.

Add $200 for VR - lower grades.

Add $175 for beavertail forearm.

Add 33% for auto ejectors on Grades No. 1, 2, and 3.

Subtract 33% if without ejectors on Grades 4E-7E.

Early hammer doubles in average condition are approx. valued between $175-$450. However, if 60%+ condition remains (including original case colors), values can approximate those listed. Values below are for guns mfg. between 1925-1948.

Field Grade 12 ga.

Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60% 50% 40% 30% 20% 10%

$1,000 $800 $600 $550 $500 $450 $415 $380 $350 $325 $300 $280