Trying to figure it out

[A.J. Holst]

In light of the recent active shooter events, the Committee for Public Safety feels the only way to end gun violence is to ensure firearms are only in the hands of those who should have them.

We are not concerned with only the military being armed and the threat of oppressive government, since that will never happen here.

Private armed security is a given, those men and women receive training and are licensed by and known to athe State.

Lastly, we will continue to arm local, state, and federal law enforcement, because they are the good guys.

Pay no attention to the main stream media and reports of racism and the systemic murder of young black men nor the victimization of illegal immigrants by police.

And that's the contradiction I'm trying to figure out...LE is murdering innocent minority citizens...remove guns from civilians.

In my opinion:

There is a thriving business in the theft of firearms from civilian, law enforcement, and military sources.

There is a thriving business in the straw purchase arena.

There are ignorant private sellers.

The folks who need mental health care probably don't have insurance, wouldn't make a claim under an employer provided program, can't afford private services, and .gov services are either overwhelmed and/ or substandard.

Gang recruitment is aided (in all demographics) due to the rising normalcy of fatherless boys and young men.

Not an original thought, but if the rank and file, law abiding gun owners were the problem, don't you think we'd be in the news by now?

[bersaguy]

11 minutes ago, A.J. Holst said:

In light of the recent active shooter events, the Committee for Public Safety feels the only way to end gun violence is to ensure firearms are only in the hands of those who should have them.

We are not concerned with only the military being armed and the threat of oppressive government, since that will never happen here.

Private armed security is a given, those men and women receive training and are licensed by and known to athe State.

Lastly, we will continue to arm local, state, and federal law enforcement, because they are the good guys.

Pay no attention to the main stream media and reports of racism and the systemic murder of young black men nor the victimization of illegal immigrants by police.

And that's the contradiction I'm trying to figure out...LE is murdering innocent minority citizens...remove guns from civilians.

In my opinion:

There is a thriving business in the theft of firearms from civilian, law enforcement, and military sources.

There is a thriving business in the straw purchase arena.

There are ignorant private sellers.

The folks who need mental health care probably don't have insurance, wouldn't make a claim under an employer provided program, can't afford private services, and .gov services are either overwhelmed and/ or substandard.

Gang recruitment is aided (in all demographics) due to the rising normalcy of fatherless boys and young men.

Not an original thought, but if the rank and file, law abiding gun owners were the problem, don't you think we'd be in the news by now?

"""Not an original thought, but if the rank and file, law abiding gun owners were the problem, don't you think we'd be in the news by now?""""

Once in a while a regular Joe makes news when some news network that is out of junk to talk about. Then a regular good guy with a gun will make the news for shooting a bad guy with a gun but you can bet the reporter is holding their nose while they type the article. The dang sure don't want news like that everyday on the front page. All the anti-gunners would ahve to find something else to do for a living besides politic against guns.

   You also mentioned the bad guys and how many of them get their guns to begin with. You listed a pretty good list. When a gun is stolen from an unlocked vehicle that a good guy was stupid enough to leave unsecured in their own driveway at home and allowed that to happen in many ways is as guilty as the thief that took it. As far as the so-called Weapons of War that bad guys have, I would say many of them came from the black market or someone that is selling one privately and not asking for all the information such as Carry Permit, DL, signed bill of sale and anything else they can get before the gun changes hands. I think it is a fact, if a maniac wants to do a mass shooting they will find a way to do it to get the hardware in which to carry it out.............JMHO.

[DaveTN]

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

In light of the recent active shooter events, the Committee for Public Safety feels the only way to end gun violence is to ensure firearms are only in the hands of those who should have them.

Barring the far left that wants total outlawing of all firearms, most Americans are looking at what is reasonable. Doing nothing to stop violent offenders and the mentally ill, once you are made aware, from obtaining firearms is not reasonable.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

We are not concerned with only the military being armed and the threat of oppressive government, since that will never happen here.

That is the only basis for the 2^nd amendment; I keep hearing that anyway. However, a bunch of citizens with semi-auto rifles have a real disadvantage over troops (who for some reason have decided to kill their fellow Americans) with machine guns.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

Pay no attention to the main stream media and reports of racism and the systemic murder of young black men nor the victimization of illegal immigrants by police.

And that's the contradiction I'm trying to figure out...LE is murdering innocent minority citizens...remove guns from civilians.

Cops aren’t murdering young black men; young black men are murdering young black men. Cops are killing criminals that have guns and are trying to kill them. Or failing to listen and follow instructions when they have a gun in their hand.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

There is a thriving business in the theft of firearms from civilian, law enforcement, and military sources.

I would agree that firearms are a high target item in house and car burglaries. A big part of that problem is catch and release.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

There is a thriving business in the straw purchase arena.

There are ignorant private sellers.

I wouldn’t call them ignorant. We have those sellers that have no way to do a background check and we also have those sellers that are targeting convicted felons. Convicted felons are more than willing to pay new prices for used guns.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

The folks who need mental health care probably don't have insurance, wouldn't make a claim under an employer provided program, can't afford private services, and .gov services are either overwhelmed and/ or substandard.

Yes, the people that would commit mass murder would not seek help. And unfortunately they have family members that don't think they will commit mass murder.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

Gang recruitment is aided (in all demographics) due to the rising normalcy of fatherless boys and young men.

Correct, the family unit, morale’s, jobs, and money; all serious problems.

4 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

Not an original thought, but if the rank and file, law abiding gun owners were the problem, don't you think we'd be in the news by now?

Some of us are in the news; OWM are the problem. And we must be dealt with immediately, or at least after we pay for the Green New Deal.