The Highwaymen

[pop pop]

I finally got around to watching the movie, on Netflicks, "The Highwaymen" with Kevin Costner playing Texas Ranger Hammer and Woddy Haralson playing Ranger Gault.

On another board, several posted that the movie was fairly depictive of Texas Ranger Hammer and the take down of Bonnie and Clyde.

At any rate I liked the movie, but had a problem with one of the scenes. In the movie Gault's grandson told him his mother said, "Gault was going to go to hell for killing all those men in his carrier as a Texas Ranger."

IMO, some liberal writer had to come up with that line out of total IGNORANCE. The Bible tells, in (Romans 13:1-4) (V 1)Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. V 2 V 3 ________ (V 4) For it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not BEAR THE SWORD for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.

Well with anyone who has two brains cells clicking knows that there is a system set in place, by God, to oppose evil. In our form of government the judicial branch, which includes the Police(the sword of gov), are those who are set in place to oppose evil and defeat it by force if necessary. If they (Police) take a life, FOR the RIGHT reasons, they will not be condemned to hell (those condemned to spiritual death) for opposing evil or carrying out their duty.

Stupid statements like that gets me frustrated. Same go for being a soldier and carrying out their duty. Just read about Cornelius in Acts chapter 10. He was a Roman soldier who was converted to Christianity and he was a Soldier. The apostle Peter was sent a message about Cornelius, by God in a dream, and Peter taught him and his household the gospel then baptized them into Christ. Read it for yourself.  

Same goes for one any person practicing self defense. In Luke chapter 22, Jesus told the apostles, as He was about to leave them to their own devices; after Christ was to be crucified.

In (Luke 22:35-36) And He said to them, "When I sent you out without purse and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you? And they said no nothing.

V 36, And He said to them, "But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one."

V 38 And they said, "Lord look, here are 2 swords." And He said to them, "It is enough."

Jesus gave the Apostles tools, and a way to protect themselves, as they traveled the known world, at that time, to spread the gospel. A sword is a defensive or offensive tool. It is capable of punching holes, if one gets close enough to it. A gun reaches out and punches holes, if one is close enough.  I hope I never need too, but it is no sin to oppose evil and one will not be put in hell for practicing self defense  . 

[Whisper]

1 hour ago, pop pop said:

IMO, some liberal writer had to come up with that line out of total IGNORANCE.

The writer of The Highwaymen is John Fusco, who's written tons of Westerns, and the religious film The Shack.

There are lots of varying opinions expressed in The Highwaymen, including comments by some characters in support of Bonnie and Clyde.  Fusco wrote those lines, also.  Do you think that Fusco is actually favorable toward Bonnie and Clyde?

It's a screenplay about a series of historical events.  Every line spoken by every character doesn't express the personal opinions of the author.  

So, can you explain precisely why you decided he's a liberal (I've not seen anything indicating his political opinions) and that he's writing out of total ignorance (from all accounts he researched the lives of Gault and Hamer carefully)?

 

[Garufa]

2 hours ago, pop pop said:

The Bible tells, in (Romans 13:1-4) (V 1)Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. V 2 V 3 ________ (V 4) For it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not BEAR THE SWORD for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.

So a liberal government and their representatives (the governing authorities ) are in fact, acting on the behalf of God as is his will?

[Chucktshoes]

Anytime you try to conflate the government with God’s Will, you run into very dangerous ground of justifying some actions that even Satan wouldn’t claim as his own. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by Chucktshoes

[gregintenn]

First thing you need to do is get an accurate translation of the scriptures. May I recommend The King James Version?

[pop pop]

Whisper, what riled me was the kid's statement, "Gault was going t o go to hell because he killed men in the execution of his duties as a lawman", was not a truthful statement. Why I included scripture to debunk the statement.  God/Christ allowed the apostles to purchase tools for self protection(swords).  

[Whisper]

My point is still the same:  Why did you seize on this particular line of dialogue, from among all lines from all the characters in the film, and decide that this line represents the personal opinions of the screenplay author?

[TomInMN]

2 hours ago, pop pop said:

Whisper, what riled me was the kid's statement, "Gault was going t o go to hell because he killed men in the execution of his duties as a lawman", was not a truthful statement. Why I included scripture to debunk the statement.  God/Christ allowed the apostles to purchase tools for self protection(swords).  

I think it's probably pretty accurate story telling if some character in a movie doesn't know what they're talking about.

Maybe that's just me...

[Chucktshoes]

Scripture discussion aside, I believe you completely missed what was actually happening in that scene.

At the beginning of the film Gault is a man without purpose. He has no job and no direction. He’s bereft of his identity as a Texas Ranger. While Gault was good at his job, and it defined who he was, deep down he wasn’t a killer like Hammer. Killing never sat easy with him nd all the killing he did in the job ate away at his soul. The grandson is a stand-in for Gault’s conscience. He serves to tell the audience what is eating away at Gault. It’s the reason why he drinks,  and it’s the reason why Hammer turned around and left. He could see the toll it takes on his friend.  Still, for all of the pain it causes him, it is who he is and he must join Hammer on this journey. 

Then you are supposed to take the grizzled, damaged veteran Ranger potrayed by Harrelson and contrast him against the young naive FBI agent who has never shot anybody before.  In many ways, he is Gault as a young man st the beginning of the journey that leads to the troubled man we see on screen. 

 

 I don’t know if this movie got a theatrical release in order to qualify for Oscar contention, but Harrelson‘s performance is absolutely worthy of a statue. Kevin Costner may have been the lead, and he definitely gave an exceptionally fine performance, but this was Woodys movie. 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Chucktshoes

[Whisper]

12 hours ago, Chucktshoes said:

I don’t know if this movie got a theatrical release in order to qualify for Oscar contention, but Harrelson‘s performance is absolutely worthy of a statue.

It did.  It got a limited release, about two weeks as I recall, in a few major markets.

The part about Gault being unemployed and living with his daughter is one of the fairly few places where the movie varies from fact.  Gault worked for the Highway Patrol after he and Hamer left the Texas Rangers, and he was still doing that when Hamer convinced him to join the trackdown of Bonnie and Clyde.

[btq96r]

On 4/24/2019 at 2:58 PM, pop pop said:

In our form of government the judicial branch, which includes the Police(the sword of gov)

Law Enforcement is within the executive branch at various levels of government.  The only police like officials in the judicial branch would be balliff's or a local equivalent, and their authority is usually resigned to the courthouse or transporting defendants or the convicted.

[DaveTN]

On 4/24/2019 at 2:58 PM, pop pop said:

At any rate I liked the movie, but had a problem with one of the scenes. In the movie Gault's grandson told him his mother said, "Gault was going to go to hell for killing all those men in his carrier as a Texas Ranger." 

IMO, some liberal writer had to come up with that line out of total IGNORANCE. 

Well with anyone who has two brains cells clicking knows that there is a system set in place, by God, to oppose evil.

Stupid statements like that gets me frustrated. 

Whether its right or wrong; she may have said it. I thought the movie was good although I have no idea how accurate it was.

I could kill a person that was a threat and go have lunch. However, because of my beliefs I could never have any part in an execution of a person that was in custody. “Carrying out your duty” doesn’t absolve you from responsibility for your actions.