Interesting Range Request

[bubbiesdad]

Moped, bring your kids up to my place for the next shoot. No fees, no socials, and as long as they are responsible shooters, they're welcome to shoot anything they can pick up or drive onto the range.

Looking forward to the next shoot at your place. Want to try bump firing my SKS, maybe get enough nerve to put more than 5 through my Mosin.

[Guest mcclearypl]

Homeland Security!!!! Now thats a joke right there cause unless your a cow or pig which we are able to track to the square inch, you could walk a 10 megaton nuke across any border we have and NO ONE would know the difference. Well until it went click BANG! that is.

Peace

[Almond27]

When am I legally required to provide my Social Security number?

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</td><td class="textcell" id="desc">Must I provide a Social Security number (SSN) to any business or government agency that asks?</td></tr><tr><td></td></tr><tr><td class="subtitle">

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</td><td class="textcell" id="soln">The Social Security number was originally devised to keep an accurate record of each individual’s earnings, and to subsequently monitor benefits paid under the Social Security program. However, use of the number as a general identifier has grown to the point where it is the most commonly used and convenient identifier for all types of record-keeping systems in the United States.

Specific laws require a person to provide his/her number for certain purposes. While we cannot give you a comprehensive list of all situations where a number might be required or requested, a Social Security number is required/requested by:

• Internal Revenue Service for tax returns and federal loans;
  
• Employers for wage and tax reporting purposes;
  
• States for the school lunch program;
  
• Banks for monetary transactions;
  
• Veterans Administration as a hospital admission number;
  
• Department of Labor for workers’ compensation;
  
• Department of Education for Student Loans;
  
• States to administer any tax, general public assistance, motor vehicle or drivers license law within its jurisdiction;
  
• States for child support enforcement;
  
• States for commercial drivers’ licenses;
  
• States for Food Stamps;
  
• States for Medicaid;
  
• States for Unemployment Compensation;
  
• States for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families; or
  
• U.S. Treasury for U.S. Savings Bonds
  

The Privacy Act regulates the use of Social Security numbers by government agencies. When a federal, state, or local government agency asks an individual to disclose his or her Social Security number, the Privacy Act requires the agency to inform the person of the following: the statutory or other authority for requesting the information; whether disclosure is mandatory or voluntary; what uses will be made of the information; and the consequences, if any, of failure to provide the information.

If a business or other enterprise asks you for your number, you can refuse to give it. However, that may mean doing without the purchase or service for which your number was requested. For example, utility companies and other services ask for a Social Security number, but do not need it; they can do a credit check or identify the person in their records by alternative means.

Giving your number is voluntary, even when you are asked for the number directly. If requested, you should ask why your number is needed, how your number will be used, what law requires you to give your number and what the consequences are if you refuse. The answers to these questions can help you decide if you want to give your Social Security number. The decision is yours.

For more detailed information, we recommend the publication Your Social Security Number And Card .

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Thanks Fallguy, answered some questions I had about SSN.

[Guest crotalus01]

I would have found a new range to shoot at. In this day and age of identity theft I am ultra cautious about giving my SSN to anyone, and that would apply to my kids if I had any. Basically if it is not a state, fed government or employeer, no SSN.

[Guest RedDog]

They offer it, but it's still optional.

I don't know if it is optional or not, but a number is required to use on your federal IRS tax forms when you are claiming them as an exemption.

[G27]

I don't know if it is optional or not, but a number is required to use on your federal IRS tax forms when you are claiming them as an exemption.

It's true they have to have SSNs to be claimed as dependents, but it's still optional: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=223776&postcount=23

[Oh Shoot]

I would have found a new range to shoot at. In this day and age of identity theft I am ultra cautious about giving my SSN to anyone, and that would apply to my kids if I had any. Basically if it is not a state, fed government or employeer, no SSN.

Well the range in question is run by TWRA, a state agency, if that makes it better.

There are very few places to shoot around Knoxville.

Only 3 that I can find, and none of them free.

- OS

[Moped]

I know that Norris has an outdoor range. I really wasn't wanting to drive up there, but I may next time. John Sevier is just handy since it's about 5 minutes from the house. Last time I shot at Norris, it was $25 per year and you got a key to the gate. I'd say it's a bit more now. But I may need to look into it.

[Oh Shoot]

I know that Norris has an outdoor range. I really wasn't wanting to drive up there, but I may next time. John Sevier is just handy since it's about 5 minutes from the house. Last time I shot at Norris, it was $25 per year and you got a key to the gate. I'd say it's a bit more now. But I may need to look into it.

$30 now. Or $10 + key deposit per visit and turn key back into PD on way out of town.

It's 6/30/09 expiration, so about over half the year gone.

Still worth it if you go more than 3 times before June, though.

- OS

[Guest Jcochran88]

Never heard of this being asked. I don't have kids but when we go to southside (also run by TWRA) they don't ask for ss# they did ask for a hunters saftey course card when we(the bronker and I) took a friend who was 15.

[Guest benchpresspower]

I took two of my kids out to the John Sevier Hunter Education Center today north of Knoxville. Fine casual shooting range BTW. The staff and Range Officers were very good and helpful! We had a great time!

One thing did get my interest though. My kids are 14 and 9. I had to provide Id which I gladly did. No problem there. But I also had to give the TWRA Official my kid's Social Security Numbers which were entered into a computer. He said it was a Homeland Security Requirement. Is that true of all ranges? How many of you all have all your children's SSNs on you at anyone time? I had to call my wife who had them. I just thought it was a bit funny.

I'm not a big fan of Homeland Security any way. It sounds and acts too much like something Hitler came up with in the 1930's.

Thats odd. To the best of my knowledge at the Stone's River center they just ask for the age.